Amanda Mary Ann Whitehair-UPDATE

[keyboard86]

Hi again, also possibly look into this death:-

Emmaley Adeline Whitehair March qtr 1854 Bermondsey 1d 71?

Keyboard86

PS how do you know he was not a widower by 1861as you have shown already a possible death, which I confirmed in 1854?

Also William and Amanda in 1861 are dittoed from the family above them, so possibly an enumerators error!

[keyboard86]

Hi can someone look at the original of this marriage please, as keeps dropping out via mobile?!

William Russell Whitehair Full Age to Susannah Sarah Gingell 21st January 1855 St James, Bermondsey

Father George
Brides Father James Gingell

Their was also a baptism of a Jane Matilda Whitehair 20th October 1822 Old Street, Pancras Father George Mother Matilda
Keyboard86

[keyboard86]

Hi again, a bit more, still would like help re marriage above though:-

1861 census

Susan Whitehair 30 Married b Bermondsey
William 4 b Bermondsey
Robert 11 months b Kennington
Residing at 56, Little George Street, Bermondsey
Census ref RG09/323/157/10

1871 Census

Susan Whitehair Head Married 40
William 14
George 8
All born Horsleydown
Residing at Charles Street, Souhwark
Census ref RG10/626/29/54

1881 census

L? Whitehair 50 Widow b Horsleydown
G Whitehair 18 b Southwark
Both shown as lodgers on RG11/556/53/18
Keyboard86

[keyboard86]

OK onwards and onwards!

Death Susannnah Sarah Whitehair December qtr 1893 St Olave 1d 154 aged 63

Possibly the Susan Whiteham 60 Widow b St Johns Horseleydown shown as lodger occ Charwoman at 176, Bermondsey Street, Bermondsey
Census ref RG12/370/62/10
Keyboard86

[CaroleW]

Hi can someone look at the original of this marriage please, as keeps dropping out via mobile?!

21st January 1855 St James Bermondsey

William Russell Whitehair - widower- cordwainer - father george occ dealer

Susannah Sarah Gingell spinster full age - father James occ lighterman

Witnesses Isabella Sutherland and (looks like)  George Devaney

[CaroleW]

Susannah Sarah Gingell was incorrectly transcribed on the 1851 as Singel but somebody called Pamela Thickett has notified a transcription error so may be researching the same family and can perhaps throw some additional info your way. 

The 1851 shows her b 1831 Bermondsey Surrey

HO107 Piece 1560 Folio 523 Page 57

I have sent Pamela an email with the link to this thread

[keyboard86]

Thanks once again Carole, with George being born c 1863 where if not the 1861 I have already shown of a William R with an Amanda, was William in 1861?

Also birth for George c 1863?

Keyboard86

[SCH2]

Crikey! You have been so busy Carole & Keyboard86 - thank you. I need to write all this down to see exactly how this lot fits together....and to see exactly how many wives we have in the loop at the moment and whether any of them were bigamous!

I have been out all day so haven't had a chance to look at the Ship's Lists yet, but I will as I would really like to know when he went to America!

Hope to get on to this tomorrow.

Regards to all.
SUe

[CaroleW]

The christian name Amanda was not a particularly common one back in the 1850's so my personal thoughts are as follows:

The 1861 found by Keyboard for William & Amanda is the correct entry.  The 1851 has no possible match to a Suffolk birthplace so I suspect the 1861 enumerator has made an error. 

My only (slight) reservation is his occupation at that time.  However, Amanda's 1866 marriage cert shows her father's occ as "gentleman".  He also appears to be one of the witnesses unless that is her half brother who was also William (James) Russell Whitehair.

For whatever reason, he separated from Susannah but if they separated pre-1861 - did they "reconcile" and have George born 1863 or did Susannah have a fling