HYMES in Cork City, Cork

[OZ1977]

Hi folks, my first post, so if there is a problem with any of it : be gentle! 

I have family papers that tell the story of Solomon HYMES.  He was a Polish Jew who was apprenticed in Bath as an Umbrella Maker.  Some time in the early 1800's he moved to Cork with his wife and son Jacob.  There he had 4 more children - Solomon (or Saul), Joseph, Charlotte and Sarah.  He was widowed and remarried in Cork in 1818 to Susan BURROWS and having 3 more children - Edward [my G-G-G-Grandfather], James and Eliza.  Susan BURROWS died and Solomon remarried - a widow named Morse (or Moss) who had a daughter Sally(?) in her teens.  Widowed a third time, Solomon emigrated to Australia on the Lady McNaugton in November 1836. I have found Solomon and his daughter Eliza arriving in Sydney.

A reference to St Finbar or St Fin Barre is made, being the cemetery in which Susan HYMES (Nee BURROWS) is buried.

I have found HYMES' in trade directories in about 1821 .. so I have a good feeling that the family narrative is close to true.

I have found Charlotte marrying Joseph BROUGHTON in 1827 in R.C. Diocese of Cork and Ross.

I would like to confirm (or correct) this family narrative and naturally flesh out the details of all the players.

What records can you suggest I pursue ?  Are parish records indexed and available online?

Looking forward to your help.

Miles

[shanew147]

first to answer some of your questions - parish records for Cork city are not currently available on line anywhere that I know of. The Irish Family History foundation currently has details for the north and east of county Cork. 

St. Finnbarr's is a church and a parish in Cork City - sometimes written as Finn Barr

from Slaters directory of 1846 :

 Joseph Hymes, umbrella maker, Broad lane
 Solomon Hymes, boot maker, 1, 15, 16 & 17 Arcade

link : http://www.failteromhat.com/slater/0054.pdf


Shane

[OZ1977]

Thanks Shane .... being a long way from Cork, I was hoping for something online .. but no matter.

The HYMESes you list look like the sons of my Solomon.

From Pigot & Co Provincial Directory of Ireland 1824 : Munster, I know about
 
    HYMES, Jacob  Umbrella Maker  21 Grand Parade


As to St Finbar ... is there a cemetery associated with it? Is anyone aware of transcriptions of headstones? Or index of burials?  Will the church search  if I inquire?

Cheers

[celtic liberty]

Hi just saw your post today.

Have you looked up the " irish civil registration 1845 -1958" just google it
and scroll down to Irish civil BMD1845-1958 and key in Hymes in surname search "Cork".  A few come up -
Jame Hymes b.1847 d 1871
William Henry Hymes b.1874
There are another few with slightly different spellings -
Joseph Hames ? b 1870 Cork
Arthur Haymes b Apr-June 1882

Also searched Broughton - nothing came up for Charlotte or Joseph but there were lots of Broughtons.

I live near St. Finbarrs Cemetary and some of my own family are buried there so next time I visit I will see if I can locate a grave for any of your Hymes.

Would you be able to give me a more exact date of death as all the burials are logged according to date of burial/death.   St. Finbarrs Cemetary is totally separate from St. Finbarrs Cathedral.  St. Finbarrs Cathedral is a Protestant Cathedral in Sharman Crawford Street.  St. Finbarrs Cemetary is for all denominations and is located at Glasheen Road about two miles from the City Centre.

Mary

[OZ1977]

Mary,
Thank you for your contribution and offer to look for my ancestors in the Finbar cemetery.

I am looking before 1845 mainly. So although I will investigate for HYMES in the register, at first I  am trying to connect Solomon HYMES to the wives he is supposedly had.

I will attempt to provide some date ranges (narrow as possible) to make your offer practical.  I am very excited to think I may have evidence soon.

I shall forward any details as soon as possible.

Regards
Miles

[celtic liberty]

Hi Miles,

Just to let you know I havn't forgotten you.

I went to St. Finbarrs Cemetery in Glasheen Road before Christmas and spoke with the Manager, unfortunately he couldn't help as I didn't have a date.  I had a lovely stroll there for a few hours.  It was lovely and sunny, the grass was covered with frost and it was heavenly to stroll around looking at all the headstones.  Some of the older headstones are very clear but some are so bad you couldn't make them out.  There are over 1000 headstones.

While there I luckily came across another headstone for a lady in England.  I had found some of her family buried in West Cork neither of us knew that any of her family were buried in St. Finbarrs so that was a nice surprise.  I emailed her the photo.  So I always keep my eyes open for opportunites for other people too.

I also went to St. Finbarrs Cathedral and looked at all their inscriptions but no luck.

Next week when things have settled I will go to a couple of the City Centre churches (some of them have computerised records) to see if anything on any of the people you mentioned.

Another item I came across was a " Poor Removals from England to Ireland"(just google that)
between Jan 1867 -Dec 1869 for a James Hymes.  He was from Cork and encountered hard times in Liverpool so was removed back to Cork.  Is that your James I wonder?

Will let you know if I get anything.

Hope Christmas was great and Happy New Year
Mary
 
                           

[celtic liberty]

Have not had much luck in the search for your ancestors.

Went to two City Centre Catholic churches -nothing found in one -St. Finbars South, Dunbar Street.  The other one I visited  the marriages for the 1800's are not fully computerised yet,  but the  archivist offered to go through the earlier records for me ( for  both Solomon and Charlotte) which might take some time as the writing is tiny and hard to decipher.  He will contact me if he gets something.

Could it be possible that Solomon married Susan Burrows in St. Finbarrs Cathedral ( Church of Ireland) as there are quite a few Burrowes ( note e in spelling) listed for St. Finbarrs in records that I have up to 1804?

Do you know for certain that Charlotte married in a Catholic Church to R Broughton?

I came across two headstones for Burrowes in St. Finbarrs Cemetery but unfortunately nothing on them for Susan Hymes (nee Burrows).

Sorry that the news isn't good.  As you know without dates or exact locations of marriages it is very difficult.

Will let you know if I get anything.

Mary

[OZ1977]

Susan, You are a marvel  for doing this. 

Solomon was a Jew so I cannot vouch for which church any ceremony may have taken place.  I guess the worst case is that the R.C. marriage was not my Charlotte and Joseph.

Anyway, I am toiling away here for more specific details.

Thanks again for your initiative.

Miles

[celtic liberty]

Miles,
Thanks for

Have you tried the Irish Jewish Records in Dublin.  Just google Jewish Genealogical Society Ireland and there is a contact email and telephone number there.  It is a free service unless they have to employ a genealogist to search on your behalf.   Their marriage records are for 1844 -2001 only so would not be good for you.  They might have other records which might help you.   

There is another site www.jewishireland.org which might shed some light on things for you.

I visited the Jewish Cemetery at Curragh Kippane but unfortunately it is permanently locked.  I need to contact the keyholder to get access and see if the head stones are legible and I might be able to get some information from them if any of your Hymes have been buried there.

That's it for now

Mary  ( not Susan!!!)