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Re: How cross would you be, or am I over reacting?
« Reply #45 on: Friday 07 August 09 23:30 BST (UK) »
I too have experienced this, via Genes Reunited after replying to a contact without realising that permission to view your tree is automatically selected, and that you have to deselect it yourself.

I thinnk this is wrong, and that you should have the option to enable them to view...it should not be automatic.

The person who pilfered my tree is nothing more than a name-collector, with in excess of 24,000 ‘ancestors’ in his tree. He contacted me initially over two years ago when I was just putting together my first attempt at the family tree, and before I knew it, thanks to the inadvertant access he'd been given, he’d incorporated all of my information into his tree, even the likes of my grandfather’s parents….who are of no biological link to him at all, as his 'link' is on my grandmother's line.

His ‘link’ to our line is at best remote, with the link being something like ‘his aunty was the three times removed cousin of my Great, great, great grandmother'.

Ridiculous.

Furthermore, recent discoveries I’ve made would even seem to cast doubt on this link, as I have discovered that there were two people of the same namem from the same area, born within 5 years of each other, both with similarly named siblings and both with fathers of the same name and trade. My ancestor's death record indicates she’s the older of the two, but her age on all other records ties in with the younger one.

As such, there really is no way of determining which of the two families our lot descend from and their supposed link predates this. So, as far as I am concerned, my direct line ends there, until such time, if ever, that we are able to verify which person is ours.

Another name-collector now seems to have inherited this information too, with another who's link is also very remote. This person seems to just link any information sharing a same name together. For instance, he seems to think that one of my grandmother’s aunties died in America! I know she didn’t, as I’ve found her grave…

If that's their bag, fair enough...I've done some serious research on certain lines, and it would seem more so than most others who are researching them, which gives me a buzz in turn!

As such, the internet is now full of very basic, of out-of-date and mutated information that came from my tree in the first place, and is of no use to anyone really!

I am now more careful about who I pass my information on to, but am happy to do so where a valid, no-so distant link is clear.

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Bennett-Co. Down, Ireland
Clisham-Liverpool/Ireland
Cox - Shropshire/Flintshire
Cuddy - Liverpool/Ireland
Dunne - Co. Laois, Ireland
Glue -Sussex
Guest - Staffordshire
Hughes - Co.Laios, Ireland
Jordan - Co.Down, Ireland
Lancaster - Cumberland
Manion - Liverpool/Galway, Ireland
Pearson - Cumberland
Vallely - Co.Louth, Ireland

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Re: How cross would you be, or am I over reacting?
« Reply #46 on: Monday 17 August 09 11:58 BST (UK) »
well, well, well............

I've just seen the daftest tree on Ancestry concerning one of my ancestors so far:

A person born in Bulloch, Georgia in 1830 has for his father my 3 x great grandfather who was born and died in Denbighshire, Wales.

This ancestor of mine seems to have been a  trigamist (wives in  Denbighshire, Somerset and Georgia) who regularly crossed the Atlantic and travelled around the UK to visit his wives, who subsequently had his children.  He also appears to be in 1841 and 1851 censuses in Wales. I've not checked for him in the USA or Somerset!

His eldest daughter was somehow born in Burgundy, France while I have her birth/baptism in Denbighshire!

I've e-mailed the owner of said tree,   pointing out that her info might be  slightly wrong  ;D ;D ;D


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Re: How cross would you be, or am I over reacting?
« Reply #47 on: Monday 17 August 09 15:00 BST (UK) »
dont hold your breath, I emailed someone who then asked what I meant, after I provided the information they just ignored it. john.

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Re: How cross would you be, or am I over reacting?
« Reply #48 on: Monday 17 August 09 18:11 BST (UK) »
Sharon

I thought it was only me that felt like that.  I contactedthe GR site - no luck there, did not renew membership!  The gentleman who took ALL my tree only connected loosely throught maternal side 4 generations back. I was told we are all related!!! 

I was invited by another person to see their tree on Ancestry.com and guess what.....he was there too!

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Ayrshire - Black, Brodie, Wallace
Dumfriesshire - Kellock, McMurdo,
Stirlingshire - Blackwood,  McCulloch, McNaughton,
West/East Lothian - White, Baxter, Wylie, Sneddon
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Re: How cross would you be, or am I over reacting?
« Reply #49 on: Monday 17 August 09 18:54 BST (UK) »
I guess I must be a bit odd, because I really don't mind what anyone does with my tree. Apart from close living relatives and my grandparents, I don't feel any "ownership" of the people in my tree, and if I can find the info then others can as well.

It matters not one jot to me whether I've spent months of time and lots of money trying to find some long missing ancestor, and then another researcher comes along and copies my work. I get enjoyment out of solving the puzzle, not out of keeping the result secret.

To my mind, they are losing out, not me. The fun is in the search. Its a bit like picking up a paper on the bus or tube and then copying the answers to the crossword! They may get it finished, but where's the excitement?

If someone wants to collect names, then I'm totally fine with them wholesale copying large chunks of my tree. In no way does it diminish the research I've carried out, and if they feel the need to change facts and dates and names and places, then so be it. Their loss.

I guess I could even be accused of name collecting myself. I have over 3000 names in my tree, but as my ancestors mostly had rather unique surnames in the localities they lived it's been rather easy to do. I've spread out in all directions and followed siblings forward several generations and they all add up. (Just a quick question. What is the maximum allowable size of a tree before one gets called a name collector?)

I've been in contact with lots of people wanting info on ancestors, and never heard from them again. I don't feel slighted or hurt, just mildly intrigued as to their reason for doing this hobby.

In fact, the way I look at it is the more places my tree turns up the better. If I got hit by a bus and then coincidentally my house went up in flames tomorrow, large parts of the tree would still survive for anyone in the future to use as a basis for proper research, if they felt the need. So my hard work (okay, so I've been known to cut an odd corner here and there!) would carry on.

Just my two-penneth worth.

I'll be off now...

Glen

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Re: How cross would you be, or am I over reacting?
« Reply #50 on: Monday 17 August 09 19:58 BST (UK) »
I'm all for ACCURATE trees being shared (though conversely, I haven't shared mine except with family) ... but whats the point of wholesale copying other peoples 'work' which they in turn may have copied from someone else, and without checking anything ?? 
Dorset/Wilts/Hants: Trowbridge Williams Sturney/Sturmey Prince Foyle/Foil Hoare Vincent Fripp/Frypp Triggle/Trygel Adams Hibige/Hibditch Riggs White Angel Cake 
C'wall/Devon/France/CANADA (Barkerville, B.C.): Pomeroy/Pomerai/Pomroy
Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
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Re: How cross would you be, or am I over reacting?
« Reply #51 on: Monday 17 August 09 20:08 BST (UK) »
I'm all for ACCURATE trees being shared (though conversely, I haven't shared mine except with family) ... but whats the point of wholesale copying other peoples 'work' which they in turn may have copied from someone else, and without checking anything ?? 

Goodness knows, Lydart!

I only know that I had the best laugh for a while reading about my very solid Methodist ancestor being a trigamist with 20 + children all born in different countries within months of each other. The poor bloke was a coal miner and was probably working too many hours a day to travel very far and couldn't have possibly afforded the fares from North Wales to Somerset to France to other places in the UK to the USA and back   ::)

What amazed me was how could the person (it said educated to  graduate level) could have really believed any of it  ;D ;D ;D


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Re: How cross would you be, or am I over reacting?
« Reply #52 on: Monday 17 August 09 20:10 BST (UK) »
Ugh !     Face Book ... that says it all, really !
Dorset/Wilts/Hants: Trowbridge Williams Sturney/Sturmey Prince Foyle/Foil Hoare Vincent Fripp/Frypp Triggle/Trygel Adams Hibige/Hibditch Riggs White Angel Cake 
C'wall/Devon/France/CANADA (Barkerville, B.C.): Pomeroy/Pomerai/Pomroy
Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
London: Hanham Poplett
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Re: How cross would you be, or am I over reacting?
« Reply #53 on: Monday 17 August 09 20:25 BST (UK) »
I was checking out my connections via my Ancestry family tree and there is one person who has copied my tree for somewhere so no matter what name appears on my tree it appears on his. I don't even know who our common ancestors are now, but I do know that 95% the people he has copied from me are not related to him via ny obvious way. I really don't know why people do this as I only want relatives in my tree and not lists of names that I am not connected to.
Bloomfield, Knights, Whitmore, Warner (Suffolk)
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