Desford burial, 1811 - UPTON thread!

[Annie65115]

These Uptons are certainly confusing and whilst I've got lots of info, I am very happy to hear all other theories as I'm not sure what's going on myself!

I have copied out part of the Desford PRs (it sounds as though anastarr may well have more full cpoies than I) and I have only 1 suitable baptism:

May 19 1793; John, son of William and Ann

this is the one I've taken as "my" John who married Ann Fradsham.

Marraiges are v confusing: I have the following:
 - John Upton (batchelor) m Jane Flabel 4 Mar 1790 - I think John may have been son of John and Mary, bapt 1760 as I can't see another suitable John
- John Upton m Mary Jarvis 10 May 1802, witnesses John Roberts and James Kinton
- John Upton m Rebecca Lester  July 31 1812, witnesses Sarah ? and Mary Billings
- John Upton labourer m Mary Dexter 16 Mar 1814, witnesses James ? and Ann Upton
- John Upton m Ann Fradsham 25 Jan 1823, witnesses illegible (to me!)

The John Upton who married Ann F was a FWK; it's his will I have, with children named, so I'm confident that he is "my" John. His tombstone implies a birth year of 1793 - 1794.

As to who the husband/s of Rebecca Dexter and Mary x 2 were - any suggestions?!

[anastarr]

My name is also Anne - but there are so many at Rootschat, I was forced to go with something else. 

Well it certainly looks like the "plot"is thickening.   I am so glad to find not one but two of the Upton line. 

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name:    John Upton
Birth:    abt 1793
Death:    Jan- Mar 1868 - Market Bosworth, Leicestershire
John Upton, age 75, Jan-Mar Market Bosworth, Vol 7a - page 50
Do you have the Death Certificate?  If so does it identify his parents?

My Henry Upton was born 13 Jun 1813 in Desford to John & Rebecca Lester Upton; He married Anna Sutton about 1843 & they had a daughter Rebecca born 9 Jun 1844 Market Bosworth & a son John b cir 1846.  In Jun 1847 they moved to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on the ship, London.  Anna soon died & Henry married again & had a son James Joseph Upton b 1849 in Philadelphia - my great grandfather.  Henry was a Framework Knitter and at times listed as stocking Maker, employed in Philadelphia.  There were other Uptons of Desford who moved to Philadelphia. 

Did you have this marriage?
1821    Oct 01 -Henry Upton, Framework Knitter -   Charlotte    Hollis spinster    Banns Desford
Witt: Thomas Upton & Ann Fradshaw. (Must be your lady, she would marry the next year to John Upton.)

I will go back in my Desford pages and see what else I can find for the Mary Dexter/John Upton family.  His tombstone as listed by WGU puts a crimp in who I thought he was. 

1812    Aug 31 John Upton &    Rebeccah    Lester, Banns    Desford   
Wit: Sarah Nede. Mary Billings.

1814    Mar 16 John Upton    labourer    Mary Dexter Banns    Desford   
Wit: James Hannay. Ann Upton.


I have 300+ pages of Desford Parish copied jpgs (you are welcome to any and all) In April I will be in Salt Lake and will copy more.   Do you have access to the Parish records?   

I would like to collect as much as possible before I go - so I would appreciate any ideas either of you have or corrections or "facts".   

Any suggestions of research appreciated.

Anne

[Annie65115]

Arrgghh, I'm now starting to doubt my research too! (though there's no harm in things being questioned and checked, is there?  )

I don't have John or Ann's death certificate but it wouldn't identify their parents anyway; marraige certificates do but only those produced post 1837, which is too late for John and Ann.

I have seen the marraige enrty for Henry Upton and Charlott Hollis but I had assumed that this Henry was brother to my John.

It would be so useful to find another will; I have the will of Henry Upton of Markfield, 17700ish (not at home at the moment so I can't check the exact date), then of John Upton of Desford as above. We really need a will or two of the generations inbetween!

BTW, William Upton m Ann Archer and I've not been able to find out any more about Ann -- but John names as an executor one William Archer of Newbold Verdon, and I wonder if this was a cousin on his mum's side - I haven't yet traced William though.

[Annie65115]

A thought - does anyone have a possible date of death for Rebecca lester/Upton?

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s Again. …Annie

Just two Burials for a Rebecca Upton showing......

1816.
St: Martin’s Parish Church. Desford.
Parish Burial Register No’. 41.

Rebecca Upton.
Abode. …Desford.
28th. June.
NO age given…….

1817.
St: John’s Parish Church. Whitwick.
Burial Register No’. 820.

Rebecca Upton.
Abode. ….Whitwick.
23rd. October.
Aged. …72.

MIKE…….

[Annie65115]

Thanks Mike, should have known you'd come up with the goods ! 

[anastarr]

I am also thinking I need to re-evaluate my research.    John & Rebecca Lester Upton are my Henry's parents.  I am not sure now who my John is?

Who is the John Upton also born in 1793 m Mary Dexter?

I have made tables/outlines (births, marriages, deaths) for Upton from the Desford parish registers (in Word) and would like to get them to both of you to input other information.  

Need to spread out and check other churches in Desford  area.  

I don't have any information from the cemetery.  What Uptons are there?

Rebecca Lester born 17 Nov 1788 Desford to James & Elizabeth Lester & died 20 Jun 1816 Desford m 30 Jun 1812, John Upton.  She was just 27.  

I thought I read somewhere that death certificates as late as 1868 did have more information such as parents.

Why was your John's will not probated until 1877?  I had this reference: "John was listed a a framework knitter in Probate records from "Somerset House Probate" filed in 1877, which gives his death as 02/03/1868 in Desford".

I did not have any information from the John Upton will and see he did not mention a son Henry, although Henry came to Philadelphia in 1847.

1814    May    22    William Drakeley,batchelor. FK   Elizabeth Upton** spinster. FK   Banns Desford wit: Ann Plant. William Maides.

**I think she is the Elizabeth Upton born 23 Nov 1795 to William & Anne Archer Upton.

William Drakeley was dead before 1841.  Two of their sons, Thomas White Drakeley & George Drakeley and their families also sailed on the London in 1847 to Philadelphia with my Henry Upton.  

Anne Archer was christened: 3 Feb 1771 at Kegworth or born 1771 in Kilby.

[Annie65115]

The only Upton gravestone in Desford is that of John and Ann; I will post a picture of it if possible when i get home.

The only other Upton that I know of who has a headstone at Desford is Mary Grudgings nee Upton, who is buried with her husband Daniel. There may, of course, be others whose married names I haven't recognised, but I'm confident that there are no other surviving stones with the Upton name on.

My line of Uptons moved into Leicester and were buried in Welford Rd. The only other headstone I know of that may be connected is that of John Fradsham, who I believe to be Ann's father; he's buried in Enderby, about 4 miles from Desford.

I have no idea why there was a delay in issuing the probate for John's will, unless it was left until after Ann died as well - another date to check this evening!

Certainly if Rebecca died in 1816 it's entirely possible that John remarried Ann Fradsham. I have seen the entry in the PRs and I don't think it states whether he was a widow or not - can you recheck from your records? How do you know that John and Rebecca were Henry's parents? Do you have his marraige cert - that would give John's occupation -- who were the witnesses?

Times were very hard for FWKs in the 1840's, which is maybe why Henry emigrated. Do you have any info regarding any other Uptons who went to Philadelphia, perhaps at other times?

[Annie65115]

Firstly, as promised, John and Ann Upton's headstone in Desford graveyard.