MUNN Family (Luton)

[smunn02]

Thank you very much, I've ordered his birth certficate, and have just viewed the marriage record ... it does seem the most likely, also looked at the 1891 census for henry J and he appears to be a lodger so not much luck finding family there...for some reason I can't find him on 1881 census =/


I might have a bit of a dig and see what I can find in terms of death stuff, I think that's likely to give a good view.



EDIT:  I have found death info of an Eliza Lilian Young, b 12/10/1888  who died in Luton on Jan 23 1968...it looks pretty good, but if the name on marriage is Lilian Young,  how likely is it that she may have used Eliza? You guys are the experts =)

[suzard]

Hi
Death reg would give age at death -so that could help -but death certs give name of informant and very little else in the way of family information -you may get husband of... or some such information

Do you have henry J munn in 1901???

I wondered if he may have been in the armed forces -as (if it is the correct couple) they married 1915 and 1st child b 1918 - they may have married just efore he went to war???

Only a guess though

suz

[smunn02]

re Henry J in the war - I have found a scan of WWI medals card for a Henry J Munn, however it says he died in 1915 so I don' think i can be him since there were 6 children minimum born after this time. On the other hand, there is an 8 year gap between child 1 and child 2; inconsistent with the 2-3 year gaps with all the other children; this is also a large period of WWI so presumably even if this dead Henry isn't *the* henry, then Henry J must have been doing something in the war.

Edit: Also looking at it, the eldest of the children Harry (1910 - I have the birth details, born in Wandsworth!) was 5 years before the marriage!  I remember him though, very well. He grew rhubarb =D

[suzard]

Hi,

The Henry J Munn you found as a lodger in 1891 - was he the one aged 21 and living in Dartford???

This would make him c 45 yrs of age when he married???

There are several Henry J Munns in various parts of the country - I think it may be as well to await the arrival of the marriage cert

Better to be certain than chase the wrong line

Suz

[Woody32]

have you checked the 1911?

on your GEDCOM..you have a Harry Victor Munn b1910.. I did a quick search and found a Harry V living with his parents.

I will send you a PM as i don't think i am allowed to post Transcripts of the 1911 yet.


Maybe Harry Victor doesn't belong to the same family as the others 8 year gap?.

[smunn02]

I think you're right, though I was certain there was a Harry...but in the face of the evidence it seems my mind must be playing tricks on me!


The lodger, yeah...I'm discounting him. There are a heap of Henry J's around there for some reason!

Edit: Presumably the 1921 census will show the eldest child - how does it work with the census + when they release the information?

[suzard]

The census is usually closed for 100years
But the 1911 cennsus has been released early (should have been 2011-was released this year) but not all details will be released until 2011 (disability details etc)

census available to view mainly on pay sites-1881 free at family search)

census are from 1841-1911

1911 at the moment is pay per view for everyone  -unless you go to Kew -itwill be free to view at various libraries , archives shortly though

I think this is harry Victors family in 1901
5 Stewart lane West attersea
George T Munn head M 32 Railway Engine Driver Edgware Rd
Elizabeth wife 29 Clapham Surrey
Winifred E daughter 2 battersea
RG13 443 167 20

Marriage freeBMD
Jun qtr 1897
Wandsworth
George T Munn
Elizabeth cannandine
1d 1897

I had a quick look at your gedcom - and quite a lot of it seems to be copied from Ancestry trees.

I would suggest checking the research yourself - there are a lot of trees around which are "suspect" and you really need to satisfy yourself the informatin is correct.
trees get altered - sometimes people alter them to "fit" their information.

I no longer have my tree on line as a new researcher had 2 names similar to names I have - she altered the p.o.b. of all on my tree - and admitted that her family would be amazed at how much work she had done in a week !!! So now there is a tree doing the rounds which is completely make believe

If you need any tips on research -here is the place to ask

RootsChatters are a friendly bunch and there is always someone willing to help

Suz

[smunn02]

Thank you; I think I'm discounting Harry Victor altogether in the light of some new stuff.


With regards to other trees - I completely agree; there are a LOT of people I've taken out due to insufficient evidence. I'm not overly fussed about siblings; however I have physical evidence of *most* of the 'important figures' - the mothers and fathers of the main line I'm getting back. 

One problem I've come across is the really early ones - I can prove via documents to William Nottingham (1804-1882) however before that I'm not really sure what documents exist - would it be possible to request birth certificates for, say, his father/granfather/great grandfather/great great grandfather? (1775-1819, 1737-1824, 1713-1784 and 1694-1726 respectively) - I have dates and places of birth, death and so on for each; and I'm chasing up some emigration/death documentation currently for his namesake b1643 who emigrated to the USA and died there....but if I get those okay, it leaves a big four-generation document hole.  Plus on the site I'm using you have to use one credit to view/save the document scan, and another to attatch it to the person; so on most cases I've printed it out rather than attatch it.

[smunn02]

I would like to share also these two wonderful people I've managed to find an awful lot about:




James (1832-1912) and Elizabeth (1834 – 1903) Nottingham (nee Ireland); my paternal great great great great grandparents.
They are by far and away my most documented people so far.

They married on 2nd Feb 1856. James was a field watcher aged 8, then a servant (groom) at 18; before spending the rest of his life as a market gardener + publican; he ran the Old Sugar Loaf in Vinegar Hill which was passed down to one of his children (who, in one census or another, was running it age 24); and later in life he ran the Rose + Crown in Upper Caldicote, where he died.

I have slightly less about Elizabeth, however both have an unbroken line of documents running from their births through the 41, 51, 61, 71, 81, 91 and 01 census including their marriage and deaths. I'd really like to find James on the 1911 Census if anyon can help to 'finsh him off' so to speak!