MUNN Family (Luton)

[smunn02]

It wasn't; it was Sep 1868 aged 60. Typo in original message, sorry xD  

This however has no document source; it's a collaboration of 18 other trees with the same relative (3 other trees had similar name and DOB etc but were discounted because they didn't have the exact same documented census information as me).

[suzard]

there is a death reg FreeBMD
Mary Nottingham
age 62
Sept qtr 1868
Biggleswade district
3b 251

and I have found William and mary in 1851 with 7 chi;dren!

Suz

[smunn02]

That looks like the lass =)


I have 7 children listed also; James, William, Ann, Lucy Ann, John.  James we know was the inkeeper; I have very little details on the others.  Thank you for confirming the date of death - is 62 given as an approximate or exact age? I have a source for her being 60.

Edit:  Oops,  missed some out.  Children + dates I have listed:
James 1832
William 1834
Charles 1836
Ann 1837
Lucy Ann 1846
John 1850
Lucy 1855

Looking at it...the second Lucy is after the '51 census. She is listed on the '61 as child of Mary but the 'first' Lucy, Lucy Ann has no souces. If she is wrong , that takes me down to just six children. Who do I not have? Also a MASSIVE gap between Ann and John (and they are both listed on the 61/71 censuses).   That would make Ann 47 when she had her final child, even though se is listed on the Census that sems veryvery old, even for now.

[suzard]

Lucy would make 8 children -she wasn't born until after 1851 census

62 would be age given by informant
check it out on freeBMD

here we are 1851 - name written as Nott - too lazy to put full name i expect!!!

Warden lane Warden Bedds
William Nott head M 45 ag lab Hawnes beds
Mary wife 43 Blunham
James son 19 ag lab Hawnes
William son 17 ag lab hawnes
Charles son 15 Jockey Hawnes
Ann daughter 12 Straw Plaiter hawnes
Thomas son 10 ag lab Hawnes
Emma daughter 8 Straw Plaiter hawnes
John son 1 Warden
William Bones Lodger U 40 ag lab Warden
HO107 1753 642 12

Suz

[suzard]

by the way 47 isn't unusual for a woman to have a child - my Gran had her first child when she was 17 and her last (my Dad) when she was 47 -all with the same husband who was a lot older than her (he was 66 when Dad was born) - I think it was too much fresh food and fresh air- and a glass of ale instead of a cup of tea!!!!

Suz

[suzard]

By the way - you missed out Thomas and Emma

Suz

[smunn02]

Ah good!

Thank you very much, have updated everyone as appropriate - you're a wonderful mine of information in a field where I'm a mere newborn!

I've finally got round to adding James' death source too, so now I'm happy with the sheer volume of documentation for him!

[suzard]

you need to check the birth years on  Free BMD (post Sept qtr 1837) to have a more accurate picture

If yu can find the baptisms of the children you may find they had siblings who died in infancy -it wasn't unusual if a chld died  to name alater child after them
Suz

[smunn02]

I've done some digging on the two pubs James Nottingham ran and have come across some interesting info in historical records.

The 1871 Census shows James as a Labourer living in the Old Sugar Loaf in Upper Caldicote, and it was suggested that maybe Elizabeth was running it. However thanks to the document GK35/7: "conveyance of "dilapidated" cottages by Alfred White to William Field of Biggleswade, carpenter for £50: 1859;"; I've discovered that the Old Sugar Loaf was actually still being completed in 1871 by carpenter William Field, and James & Elizabeth were living 'on site' - James was labouring to help complete the pub!

He was given the first lease granted, listed as "since one year past" in 1872  (HF143/1: Register of Alehouse Licences - Biggleswade Petty Sessional Division: 1872-1873;)

However in the 1881 Census he is still listed by profession as the beerhousekeeper - in 1878 the licence + lease actually went to his eldest son, Joseph  (- HF143/3: Register of Alehouse Licences - Biggleswade Petty Sessional Division: 1878-1881)  who ran the pub until 1886 when a James Marshall took over (HF143/4: Register of Alehouse Licences - Biggleswade Petty Sessional Division: 1882-1890;).