Sans Souci Lodge Sans Souci Park Belfast

[scotmum]

Was your wife's husband named John? If yes, could this be the family in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001363894/

Just a thought:

Note that the John is recorded as grandson and the only other person named as married is Samuel, son of head of household who is also a Samuel. Samuel, John's dad, does not have a wife recorded on the return (only females are noted as single). Could it be that Samuel was originally a tailor in Belfast, and something happened to his wife (he is not recorded as widowed, rather married) and he returned to Ballymena to have support of family in bringing up John, and that he reverted to being a farmer along with his own father, also a Samuel? Or, one of the single females is actually his wife and wrongly recorded as single and given age of Samuel snr, Samuel has just returned to Ballymena to learn the ropes in order to take over from his father.

[kingskerswell]

Hi,
   I may be a little confused, but your wife's memory of being born and raised on a farm near Ballymena ties in with the details of a Bamber couple raising a family in the 1870s in the Galgorm district of Ballymena. The same family were still there in the 1911 census. They are described as farmers. There is a head of family, Samuel, age 64 and a son, Samuel age 35 also a farmer, and a grandson, John. The younger Samuel is married but no wife is listed. The elder Samuel is a widow and three daughters are still living at home.

[scotmum]

Kingskerswell......snap, we have had same thought....see my post above yours.

[scotmum]

A search of Grave Inscriptions for Ballymena has:

a 1918 stone in the Old Churchyard, Ahoghill - it was erected by Samuel Bamber of Galgorm Parks

and partly reads:

"...his father and mother Samuel Bamber who died.....1918 aged 73 years Margaret Bamber who died.......1886 aged 42 years........his brother John who died.......1896 aged 27 years And his sister who died.....1917 aged 44 years Also his sister Isabella Boyd Lennox who died.....1952 aged 68 years"

above found at and partly quoted from the Inscriptions found online at The Braid website.

Full details can be read by searching Bamber at:

http://www.thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx

which has the above and other Bamber entries.

[bradbrend]

Was your wife's husband named John? If yes, could this be the family in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001363894/

Just a thought:

Note that the John is recorded as grandson and the only other person named as married is Samuel, son of head of household who is also a Samuel. Samuel, John's dad, does not have a wife recorded on the return (only females are noted as single). Could it be that Samuel was originally a tailor in Belfast, and something happened to his wife (he is not recorded as widowed, rather married) and he returned to Ballymena to have support of family in bringing up John, and that he reverted to being a farmer along with his own father, also a Samuel? Or, one of the single females is actually his wife and wrongly recorded as single and given age of Samuel snr, Samuel has just returned to Ballymena to learn the ropes in order to take over from his father.

Thank you scotmum
Good thinking. My wife's father was John, same John in the census and we too came to the conclusion the grandfather returned to take over the farm. My wife remembers her g/father and aunts (who did not marry until later in life) listed on the census. As previously stated she was just so surprised having known her g/father & g/mother and having been raised in the same house (and nursed him in later years) was anything but a farmer. His wife is not on the census obviously elsewhere.
Thanks for your input

[bradbrend]

A search of Grave Inscriptions for Ballymena has:

a 1918 stone in the Old Churchyard, Ahoghill - it was erected by Samuel Bamber of Galgorm Parks

and partly reads:

"...his father and mother Samuel Bamber who died.....1918 aged 73 years Margaret Bamber who died.......1886 aged 42 years........his brother John who died.......1896 aged 27 years And his sister who died.....1917 aged 44 years Also his sister Isabella Boyd Lennox who died.....1952 aged 68 years"

above found at and partly quoted from the Inscriptions found online at The Braid website.

Full details can be read by searching Bamber at:

http://www.thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx

which has the above and other Bamber entries.

Another thank you scotmum. The said headstone erected is that of my wifes gt/grandfather & mother and other family members and has been visited by my wife.

[bradbrend]

Hi,
   I may be a little confused, but your wife's memory of being born and raised on a farm near Ballymena ties in with the details of a Bamber couple raising a family in the 1870s in the Galgorm district of Ballymena. The same family were still there in the 1911 census. They are described as farmers. There is a head of family, Samuel, age 64 and a son, Samuel age 35 also a farmer, and a grandson, John. The younger Samuel is married but no wife is listed. The elder Samuel is a widow and three daughters are still living at home.

You are spot on kingskerswell, and the younger son is listed as a farmer. What a surprise to find he was a tailor and living in B'fast a few years prior.

[stevesch]

This is the first time I've used this site, so bear with me. Samuel Bamber,Sr. is my Great Grandfather. Samuel,Jr. had another sister, Agnes who is my Grandmother,came to the States and settled in Winnetka, Illinois. She died in 1940.

I'd be more than happy to pass on more information to anyone who is interested - -  Steve.

[corisande]

Its a small world on Rootschat.

I actually lived for about 10 years in Sans Souci Park as a child (number 28 for the record) All the houses had numbers then, and there was no "Lodge".

I would agree with earlier posters who said that the original house must have been pulled down to erect the present Sans Souci Park houses, thoiugh the odd thing is that you say the address included "Sans Souci Park" - a possible explanation is that the lode was in the parkland of Sans Souci House. Queens university have since pulled down a number of these houses, including our.

You want to try one of the "old map" services on the web to get the original plan of the area. I have no idea when our house was build, but they were all of a period, and the photo above. Perhaps they were built 1900 to 1925, but I am no expert.

Let me know if youu need any more on Sans Souci Park