Margaret Williams, Middlesbrough

[alllegs]

Thank you so much everyone, I'm very confused!!

I have discounted all bar one of the Margaret Williams on the Tees Valley index because none of them have a father called William.  I emailed the Hartlepool office asking for confirmation (or not) on the fathers name but they haven't replied to my email.  According to the family thoughthey seem to think that Hartlepool is to far out to br my Margaret Williams (but you never know!)

Thats strange about the death then as the only Margaret Hubbard death record I could find was obviously Sillgen's Margaret not mine.......where did mine go??

How bizarre that I can only find a marriage and not a birth or death.  This women is driving me insane and I desperatly want to know more about her as my grandma knows nothing about her mother and I want to fill her in before its too late.  Perhaps this is where I'll find the old family skeleton in the cupboard........?!

Thank you again for your help.

Legs
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[sillgen]

1901 The one age 5 in Middlesbrough is the daughter of George and Barbara, 7 Sutherland St.
The one in Eston has parents John and Margaret.
Andrea

[coffers]

Personally I wouldn't say Hartlepool is too far out for anyone to consider a move to Middlesbrough. Huge numbers of people upped sticks in the 1800's to move to the North East. Harltlepool is not that big a move to rule out. One of my anscesters moved with her family and other relations from Norfolk to Loftus in the early 1870's. In the space of a few years after that she lived in North Ormesby, Coxhoe Co. Durham and then Marske-in-Cleveland. Most of my ancestors had arrived in the Middlesbrough area by 1881, but like you I have a couple of very elusive ones with common names (William Gibson and John Thompson) who suddenly appeared in Middlesbrough around the late 1890's early 1900's and could have come from absolutely anywhere.

People at that time were more mobile than many folk believe, so maybe your Margaret Williams didn't actually come from Middlesbrough, she may not even have come from Hartlepool.

With that in mind I tried a search, on FreeBMD, for all Margaret Williams born in North Yorkshire and Duram in the years 1895, 1896 and 1897.

It came up with the following:

Surname  First name(s)    District  Vol  Page 
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Births Sep 1895
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Williams  Margaret    Sunderland  10a 674   

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Births Dec 1895
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Williams  Margaret Ann     Middlesbro'  9d 514   

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Births Sep 1896
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Williams  Margaret     Stockton  10a 78   
Williams  Margaret     Easington  10a 458   

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Births Mar 1897
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Williams  Margaret Ivy     Middlesbro'  9d 607   
Williams  Margaret Jane     Houghton  10a 482   

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Births Jun 1897
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Williams  Margaret     Hartlepool  10a 166   
Williams  Margaret     Sunderland  10a 588   

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Births Sep 1897
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Williams  Margaret     Auckland  10a 229   

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Births Dec 1897
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Williams  Margaret     Middlesbro'  9d 569   
Williams  Margaret Ann     Auckland  10a 256   

Assuming Margaret's age at marriage is correct, then this search would make the one in Easington a possibility. You will appreciate that the vast majority of Margaret Williams born between those dates were born in Wales.

Unfortunately you have problem/puzzle that we all hit sometime or another. All we can do is keep plugging away looking for more clues. Hopefully you'll find Margaret's birth sooner rather than later. The first thing to do though is eliminate all the local possibilities, which you are slowly doing.

Just don't assume that your familes stayed in one area, especially don't assume any ancestors of  families based in the Teesside area, in modernish times, actually came from the surrounding locality.

[coffers]

There is a William Williams, living in Stockton aged 30 at the time of the 1901 census, if the Margaret Williams (aged 4) living in Stockton in 1901 could be linked at the same address, you may have your hit.  It may be that William Williams, is really Margaret's Step-father.

I could not cross-reference any other William Williams with a Margaret Williams in a search of the 1901 census in Durham or Yorkshire.

Mike.

[alllegs]

Thank you again!

How would I find out if there is a link between my Margaret and the Margaret and William in Stockton in 1901??  I am doing research on a students income so cannot afford to pay for the 1901 website.  I have just spoken to my aunt (who is sort of helping with my research) and she has found the following  (I'm not sure its linked but here goes anyway)

This if from the 1881 census.

William Williams b Wales in 1843 occ bank manager, living in Stoke
Mary Ann (wife) b 1850, Ormseby
Mary
Gwendoline
Hilda
All born Middlesbrough between 1873 and 1877.

I know you're probably think 'yeah and...?' but I found a forget-me-not bracelet with all my grans relatives names on it, one of these names was Hilda, there was also Evelyn, Pattie, Charlotte and Melva.  My aunt can only find this one Hilda born in the M'bro area.  I guess its worth a mention although I'm not convinced there's any link.  I think maybe there could have been more children born after 1881 which obviously won't be on the 1881 census, any perhaps they may have the other names on the bracelet??  A very long shot I know.  Also, according to my aunt, of which I had no idea, apparently Margaret married below herself and was shut off by her parents when she got pregnant with her 1st child before she was married.  I'm not sure this is true but I will ask my gran when I next speak to her.   

I have also re-emailed the Hartlepool GRO place to ask again if the MW they have registered has a father called William.

Thank you all again for your help and advice it is very much appreciated.   

Love
Legs   
xxxx

[sillgen]

I have looked at the 1901 William age 30 - he does not have a daughter called Margaret.
Andrea

[alllegs]

Thank you Andrea,

Back to square one again!!  Oh well at least all this researching keeps me ot of trouble!!  Doesn't do much for my uni work though!!

Thanks again 

Legs
xxxxx

[sillgen]

Have now looked for an Evelyn and she is with the George and Babara seen earlier who have a daughter Margaret age 5
1901 4579 F109  7 Sutherland St
George 47 Sheeter in ironworks B Wales treforest
Barbara 37 b Wales Dowlais
Lewis 14
Joan 11
Evelyn 9
Margaret 5
Charles 3 but it says daughter so that might be Charlotte?
All kids b M'bro
Andrea
Andrea

[alllegs]

ohhh thats interesting, thank you Andrea,

But i'm not sure that its the right family because the marriage cert I have says that Margaret's father was William Williams not George.  AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH!   

Thank you for looking anyway
love
Legs
xxxx