Margaret Williams, Middlesbrough

[alllegs]

Hi everyone,

I woundered if anyone would help shed some light on Margaret Williams.  I have her marriage certificate and I think I have located her death but I am really struggling to find her birth and ther mothers details.

She married Edward Hubbard on 24/12/1923 at the Parish Church, North Ormesby, Middlesbrough.  They were both 27.  This leads me to believe she was born c1896.  The certificate indicates they both lived at 22 Chester Street at the time of the marriage.  The witnesses were Rosena Levett (nee Hubbard - Edward's sister) and John Shaw (the co-op man?!?)

Her father was William Williams and he had died prior to the marriage.

Margaret and Edward had 3 children, Kenneth (b 1923), Edward (b 1925) and Edith (b 1927) (my gran)

I have quizzed my gran about Margaret but all she knows is that Margaret died when she was approx 4 months old and the children were brought up by their paternal grandparents.  She feels it was a bit hush hush about details surrounding her mother.

I have searched everywhere for Margaret's birth but only hit brick walls.  The only birth I have found in the Middlesbrough area at around the same time is in Stockton but the father isn't William. 

I think Margaret's death was in 1927 as I have found a reference to this at my local GRO.

Any info on Margaret of her family would be fantastic.

Thank you in anticipation

Legs
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[AMW]

hi allegs
have you tried the middlesbrough register office web site?
www.teesvalley-indexes.co.uk
they have indexed births for m,bro & stockton areas for 1837-1967 this may help.

regards
Amw

[alllegs]

Hi AMW,

Thank you for your message,  I already know about the Tees Valley Indexes, thats where I got all my info from.  However that site didn't have Margaret's death.  There are 8 William Williams who died between Margaret's birth and marriage so I don't know which one is her father, also the only births I can find for Margaret's at that time do not have father's calle William.

I really don't know where to go now.

Thanks again.

Legs
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[AMW]

hi again legs
i live in m,bro, i go to m,bro ref library every wed morning,
i could look to see if there is a newsaper entry for the 1923
wedding,they have all the M,bro Gazzettes on microfiche
it might say something about her family?
do you think its worth a try?

regards
amw

[alllegs]

Hi again AMW,

Thank you, that would be really fantastic, as long as I'm not putting you to any trouble.  Have you got enough info to go with or do you need anything in particular?

If you need any research doing in Sussex, please feel free to drop me a line and I can go to Chichester or Lewes GRO and look for you.

Thank you millions

Legs
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[AMW]

hi legs
yeah no prob, ive the date 24/12/1923 ,i wouldnt have offered without this,a 3 mnth period of notices takes abt 1 Hr
but cos youve got the exact date should  take about 10mins
Were they living together before marriage !?
was her father down as deceased on the Marriage cert?
i will try to reply wed nite?

regards
AMW
 

[alllegs]

Thank you soooooooo much, you're a star   

Yes the date is 24/12/1923.  I think they had 1 son before they were married (Kenneth b1923).

Yes they were living together at the time of marriage so I assume they lived together before they were married.

Yes William William is down as deceased on the Marriage cert, it said nothing about his occupation.

Also if possible (hope i'm not pushing my luck) would you be able to look for Margaret's death, possibly from TB in June (ish) 1927, She was Margaret Hubbard by then.  Don't look this up if you don't have time etc, I just thought I'd ask just in case!

Thank you again, please don't go out of your way and just reply as and when if you find something.

Thank you so much

Legs
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[AMW]

hi legs
so sorry but found no entry for marriage
i started search 24/12/1923 which was a Monday
no paper on tue or wed (xmas day and boxing day)
next paper was Thu 27th - nothing? i continued till
Sat 5th Jan 1924 - still nothing!
i was as disappointed  as you will probably be !,
but i wont stop their,let me check again next week
for the death entry,you said it was 1927.
Did you have the date in 1927, if you have it wont take long,
today took abt 20mins ,also they have a Monumental Inscriptions book for North Ormesby Parish church,this may take slightly longer but i will gladly check that.

A Very Down
AMW

[alllegs]

AMW, thank you so much for trying, your still a star!    Don't worry about not finding anything, Margaret seems to be a very alusive and mysterious woman!!

I don't have an exact date for her death, all I know is she died 4 months after my gran was born in Feb 1927, so it would be approx June 1927.  I did find a death record on microfiche at my local GRO.  These are the details.  Margaret Hubbard (her married name) died 1927 aged 31.  District: Middlesbrough, Volume: 9d. Page: 528.  Will that reference enable you to find the actual date?  If you don't mind and have a spare few minutes I'd be very greatful if you could check that out for me.

What is a Monumental Inscripton book?   I've not come across that before.  What info do you need from me to make the searching easier, I'll try to find as much as possible at this end so you don't waste your time! 

All I know is that Margaret Williams married Edward Hubbard.  Her father was William Williams (deceased on marriage cert).  She had 3 children, Kenneth (1823), Edward (1825) and Edith (1827).  When she died the children were brought up by their paternal grandparents, William and Kate Hubbard (nee Weed).  I don't know anything more.

Just one final thing (hope I'm not pushing my luck too much!)  Do you know if details for Hartlepool are kept at the Middlesbrough offices??  The reason I ask is I have found another birth for a Margaret Williams in Hartlepool, but I'm not sure its the right one.  I emailed for confirmation through Tees Valley indexes but thay haven't replied.  If the Hartlepool records are available would it be possible to look at them.  If not, don't worry, I'll email the reg offices in Hartlepool yet again!

Thank you so much, if theres anything I can do in return let me know.

Legs
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