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[merylelaine]

Hi i am new to this site my names becky with my mother meryl and i am starting a family tree, looking to find relatives in the montgomery area. i haven't got that far yet though.

I am looking for any information about Walter Sethel (cecil??) Owen B.1904 who married Annie Breeze in Forden.

Also Walter's father Edward Owen (B.1872 approx) who married a Sarah (b. 1875 approx in Mochdre) (not sure of surname), who had 3 other children as well as Walter, namely William, Harold and Edward (or Edwin only known as 'eddie' to surviving relatives). They lived at 37 Blackhall and apprently has a servant called Margaret Purce who at the time of the 1901 cencus would have been 15 approx.

Walter's grandfather was David Owen B. 1831.

Walter Sethel/Cecil had 7 children namely Walter Dennis, Jackie, Ellis, Glyn, Lesley, Dora and Lilly.  All of which are still alive except for Walter Dennis who was my grandfather (my mothers father) who died early this year.

Any information any could give us would be a great help as we are stuck a bit now.

Thanks in advance.

[CaroleW]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat

Here's his birth reg for starters so we first need to work backwards from that info

Births Mar 1904
 
Walter Cecil  OWEN  Forden  11b 155

Do you know if Walter was their first born child

Where was Edward born?  have you found him on the 1881 census which is free to search at www.familysearch.org

Freebmd has 3 possible marriage for Edward & Sarah - one in Forden and 2 in Conway so I think you will need to buy a copy of Walters birth cert to establish Sarah's maiden name

[brynhyfryd]

Hi,

The 1901 census shows this family at Blackhall, Llandyssil - Edward Owen (28), Farmer b. Mochdre , his wife Sarah A Owen (26), b. Forden and 2 children, Edwin A (or R?) (3) and William R (2).
The likelihood, therefore, is that the Forden marriage identified by Carole is the right one - Qtr Dec 1896 Edward Owen & Sarah Ann Evans Forden 11b/359.
The marriage certificate will give you more information to validate names of their fathers.

It is probable that Edward is the son of David & Jane Owen, who in the 1871 census were at The Mill, Escaergeiliog, Mochdre. David (38) b. Kerry is a Miller, wife Jane, also born in Kerry is aged 36. They have 4 children, Richard (11), Pryce (7), Herbert (4) and Mary Ann (1).

By 1881, David (48) was widowed and now described as an 'Ag. Lab.'. Mary Ann (11) was still at home together with Edward (.
David was still at The Mill, on his own, in 1891 and 1901.

If you need any other census look-ups for this family, please ask.

Good luck
Stan

[merylelaine]

wow, this is great info thanks stan and carole.

How do I confirm that then, get a copy of the marriage cert and confirm parents names, or is the another way.   Can i ask where you got the info from also.

Thanks

[CaroleW]

Hi

I have checked the 1911 free index and it seems to be definite that his parents were Edward & Sarah

This is his parents marriage ref as posted above by brynhyfryd

Marriages December qtr 1896   

Sarah Ann Evans Forden  11b 359   
OWEN  Edward   

You can order a copy of their marriage cert online for £7 at
www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

But hang fire for a day or so.  I will check out some of the info given by brynhyfryd above

[CaroleW]

 Lets work back from 1901

1901- Llandyssil

Edward Owen 28  farmer b Mochdre
Sarah A   26  b Forden
Edwin H   3  b Llandyssil
William R   2   b Llandyssil
Margaret Purce 15 general servant  b Llandyssil
RG13 Piece 5199 Folio 66 Page 8

1891 for Llandyssil - sub district Forden

Edward Owen 19 birthplace shown as Kerry Montgomeryshire
working as a farm servant
RG12 Piece 4595 Folio 94 Page 5

1881 for  Moughtrey - sub district Kerry

David Owen 48  b King ag labourer
Mary A.   11  b Mochdre
Edward 8     ditto
Rachel Lloyd 51  housekeeper b Radnorshire
RG11 Piece 5485 Folio 91 Page 1

1871 for  Esgairgeiling - all children b Mochdre

David Owen 38  b Kerry miller
Jane 36  b Kerry
Richard  11 
Royce   7 
Herbert 4 
Mary Ann   1 
RG10 Piece 5614 Folio 95 Page 9

1861 indexed as Owens - Esgairgeiliog

David Owen 28  miller b Dolfor
Jane  26  b Dolfor
David 6    ditto
John  3  b Mochdre
Richard  9 Months  ditto
RG9 Piece 4249 Folio 91 Page 9

Marriages June qtr 1855   

David OWEN  Machynlleth  11b 319  to either Jane Owen or Jane Kelly.

More likely to be Jane Owen as there is no Jane Kelly on the 1851 but there is a Jane Owen of the right age living in Dolforwyn and shown as b Bettws

Son Royce shows Bettws as his birthplace on the 1901 census
 

[CaroleW]

This is a possible 1851 census for Graig - all b Kerry

David Owen 46  farmer of 110 acres
Susannah 45
David   20  farmers son
Margaret 16 
Edward   15
Mary Pryce 24  dtr   
James Pryce 28  son in law
James Pryce 1 g/son
John Davies 20  farm servant b Newtown
HO107 Piece 2497 Folio 104 Page 7

1841 for Kerry - shown as Owens - all born in county

David Owens 36  farmer
Susannah 36 
Mary  12 
Elizabeth  11 
David  10 
Margaret  8 
Edward  5 
HO107 Piece 1439/16 Folio: 4 Page 2

[merylelaine]

thank u Carole thats great, thank u very much.  Were going up to Newtown and Montgomery tomorrow so hopefully check out the libraries and get some more info from family up there,  thanks for this help