John and Margaret DEVINE

[trish1120]

Welcome to Rootschat Billy and Jo
I am sure Helke will be pleased.

There is this death reg;

Margaret DEVINE, 1858, Binalong
Parents, Hugh and Martha
Reg.227/1858

Marriage;
John DEVINE/Johanna COUGHLIN, 1861, Binalong
Reg.1393/1861

There is also a marriage in Binalong in1872 for a John Devine to Mary Somers. The son?

You wont believe this but I went to a wedding in Binalong a few years ago for a Devine.

Trish ( in Sydney)

[helke]

Thank you for all the replies you have sent.  I have quite a lot of information about them.  John and Margaret Devine arrived on Pemberton on 14 May 1849.  Children - John born 1849, Catherine (Kate) 1852 and Mary 1855 - also a male and a female deceased.  Margaret died on 25 August 1858 and John remarried in 1861 - Johanna Coughlan.  John Jnr married Mary Somers on 7 August 1872 - their daughter Regertha Mary (Gertie) Devine born 4 June 1888 was my grandmother.  John Devine Snr died on 26 September 1878.

Example of families interwoven - Mary Somers mother was Bridget Burke born in 1831, married John Somers in 1851, Mary was born in 1852.  John Somers died in 1852.  Five years later in 1857, Bridget Somers married Michael Coughlan, brother of Johanna Coughlan.  So Mary Somers step aunt was her step mother in law as well.

Some sad information regarding this family - Kate Devine married James Hutchinson, had eight children - during an outbreak of diptheria in 1894, they lost five of their children in a couple of weeks.  Also their cousin, Ellen Devine, the sister of my grandmother.

[billy and jo]

This might also interest you:
"The coughlan 4" siblings are: Michael, Johanna, John and Daniel. They come out on the Matoaka arriving in May 1855
They have an uncle  Michael Coughlan who was a convict but received a Ticket of Leave - he came out on the ship the Mangles in 1822. He was convicted of assult in County Cork in 1821. The Coughlan four are his brother Daniel's Children and they appear in the book "Poverty to Promise". The 4 children were all born in County Limerick

[billy and jo]

 

[helke]

Hi there
I am interested to know about the book 'Poverty to Promise' - I am thinking that Johanna and her brothers were orphans coming to join other family members on the other side of the world. 

Also wondering if you know anything about Langs Creek which is where the Devines were living in the 1870-95 period.  I believe it was a tent settlement of around 800 people.  I visited Langs Creek Cemetery near Boorowa a couple of years ago and spoke to people in the local historical society, but they could not tell me much about it.

Helke

[billy and jo]

Book: "Poverty to Promise the Monteagle Emigrants 1838-58" Authors Christopher O'Mahony and Valerie Thompson published June 1994.
This book is out of print and quite hard to come by.
It is a book worth knowing so here it is in a few extrats:
"Lord monteagle's interest in emigration stemmed from trying to find a remedy for ireland's allegedly redundant population" page 7
"Desirable candidates were tradesmen or farm servants aged 35-50. Accompanied by their wife, and of good character. Single females aged 15-30 were welcome at this stage only as a part of a family group" pg 10
"By 1849 and 1950 the effect of the Famine were hitting even those who might have thought themselves less vulnerable a few years earlier. Tenant farmers were unable to pay their rent;...Monteagle was reluctant to evict. Some offered to surrender their leases in return for help to emigrate; some had to be asked......
Once we pass the 1850 mark, the circumstances of the Monteagle emigrants change once again. Now, either people are joining family or friends in Australia on the strength of money sent home, or they are asking for help to obtain a free passage...." pg 11
This is were the Coughlan 4 fit in 1855.
The book only references to the 4 is of them being Monteagle Emigrates on the Matoaka arriving in Sydney 17 May 1855
The book  has a column on mother and fathers and has listed the Coughlan parents as Daniel Coughlan and Catherine nee O'Connell as being in Ireland and has the parents listed as alive.
Australia was a long way to send your 4 children in their late teens / early twenties for a better life.
I have also managed to track down copies of 2 of the 4 children's Ireland Baptismal Certificates.
Poverty to Promise - lists them as Coughlin and Connell- Irish records have then as Coughlan and O'Connell.