Author Topic: John Edward Jones c. 1873 (Read 8216 times)

irene33 · « **Reply #9 on:** Monday 27 July 09 23:43 BST (UK) »

Gadget, will all the wonderful pieces of information you have given me so far it would be a certifiable yes to that request. This is the furthest I have got for years.
My father told me that he (John Edward Jones) died somewhere around the Manchester area.
Well shall I wait until you check your records? And see what we come up with.
thanks

Gadget · « **Reply #10 on:** Monday 27 July 09 23:48 BST (UK) »

Do you happen to know what religion they were. If they were Church of England, a baptism is the best way to go but non-conformist records are thin on the ground for Chirk at that time $:-\$

My coal mining ancestors from Chirk Green were a mixture

Only one of them moved to Co. Durham*. Others moved to West Yorkshire and Lancashire but bobbed back and to!

Gadget

* see next posting - I've found some more!

Gadget · « **Reply #11 on:** Tuesday 28 July 09 02:04 BST (UK) »

Out of interest, I've just been looking for an ancestor on the 1901 and I've found 25 people in Co. Durham who were born Chirk. They obviously moved for mining jobs.

I didn't find who I was looking for but I did find some probable cousins that I didn't know were there

Gadget

irene33 · « **Reply #12 on:** Tuesday 28 July 09 07:17 BST (UK) »

Hi there,
My John Edward Jones was in district of Weston Rynn, Salop during the 1901 census with his wife and 3 children.
On the 1911 census he is living in Durham.
I was just going over the places his children were born most were born in Durham, however, one was born in Chirk Green also she was listed as age 9 in 1911 her name was Mary Kathleen. There was another child born in Pendlebury, Lancs (spelling may not be correct.
On the 1911 census he is 37 years of age his wife is 36 and they have been married 17 years.
So his birth year was probably 1873 or 74. His wife was born 1875.
My father seemed to think he (John Edward) had relatives in Lancs.
Will this bit of information get us closer?

irene33 · « **Reply #13 on:** Tuesday 28 July 09 07:32 BST (UK) »

Regarding the religion question. I am guessing it was Church of England, or something like that.
I suppose you have guessed by now he was a coal miner.
I think that is all I have so far...

Gadget · « **Reply #14 on:** Tuesday 28 July 09 09:32 BST (UK) »

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So his birth year was probably 1873 or 74. His wife was born 1875.
My father seemed to think he (John Edward) had relatives in Lancs.
Will this bit of information get us closer

I think I'd gamble £7 on that 1873, Oswestry birth cert

Gadget

PS - Weston Rhyn is in the neighbouring parish of St Martins.

Gadget · « **Reply #15 on:** Tuesday 28 July 09 11:55 BST (UK) »

Hi again

I see on the 1901 he says that he was born 'Forge'. This is the area down by the River Ceiriog, about a mile or so to the east of Chirk Green. Some of my ancestors lived there.

Here's a photo that I took a few years back.

I'll focus on that area and Chirk Green.

Gadget

Gadget · « **Reply #16 on:** Tuesday 28 July 09 14:32 BST (UK) »

Hi again

I've just spent a few hours on and off going through the census images for both the Forge/Pontyblew and Chirk Gren in the 1871 and 1881 in an attempt to identify a possible family. I can't find anything definite though. It could be that the family moved in and out between the censuses. However, UK searches don't reveal any really likely family.

These are the nearest that I can find in 1881 which should include John:

In St Martins, Shropshire - father is Edward
RG11/2660/22/2

In Chirk, Denbighshire - father is Joseph
RG11/2661/71/21

Although the father's name is wrong, it might be that he gave the wrong name on his marriage cert. It did happen.

I think a birth cert/baptism is the only way forward.

Gadget

irene33 · « **Reply #17 on:** Tuesday 28 July 09 16:50 BST (UK) »

Hi Gadget,
Hi Gadget,
Thanks for your input and help. I am going to order the birth cert. today and see what comes from it. It seems like the only logical piece.
I do have one more question.
Is it possible for a marriage record on the index to have the wrong name for the wife? John E. Jones m. Elizabeth Maddison. 1893. The only problem is there is no record of it ONLY a John E. Jones marrying an Elizabeth Morrison. I know her name was Maddison because that is the name on her daughters b. cert.
I have never order the marriage cert. because of this just in case I guess I get a cert. with the Morrison or that they won't send it at all because of conflicting information. Maybe you haven't run across this before.

Irene33

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