John Edward Jones c. 1873

[Gadget]

Hi Irene

I've just heard from Paul, our whiz at the records office. He's found this entry in the Chirk Parish records:

Chirk Baptisms. Page 162. No1289.
Born Jan 13. Baptised  Jan 14 1873. John Edward s/o John & Catherine Jones. Pentre. Collier.

This entry would fit with the March q, 1873.. Oswestry RD registration 

I've only just arrived back so will look at my other records in more detail tomorrow.


Gadget

[irene33]

Hi Gadget,
I have been away over the weekend.  So any research I have done is very quick.

I think with all the information we have on the table now, it will take a  combination of receiving this birth record and marriage record to confirm if we have the right person.  There are too many variables out there for me, that is probably because I am not familiar how the districts work. 

I did try looking on the 1881 census for a John & Catherine Jones on the IGI.  I mainly tried to match the parents and son.  There was only one that the first names matched, however, it was a family living in country of Denbigh, and these people owned 28 acres.   Somehow it didn't quite seem right.
I am still searching Oswestry District but as yet nothing, with a John & Catherine as parents.

The census reports tell me I have the right family its just their birth and marriage records that are hard to pin down.

Anyway I just wanted to touch base with you and let you know I am still searching

Irene33

[Gadget]

Hi Irene

The online IGI is no good for Chirk.  The Family Hisory Centres do have the Bishops Transcripts but none of the parish records have been allowed to be filmed.

I mentioned Pentre earlier:

Pentre - a settlement to the North of Black Park

Paul couldn't find a marriage for the couple but it's on the boundary of two/three parishes - Rhosymedre, Llangollen and St Martins.  he was going to check again.

I think it will be best to wait now until you get the birth cert.


Gadget

[irene33]

Hi Gadget,

I agree,  I will let you know as soon as I receive them.

Thanks

Irene33

[irene33]

Hi Gadget,
I have just received the birth certficate, and marriage.   

It does not show an address on the birth.... just states born in Pentre, Denbighshire.  It does, however, give his mother's maiden name a Catherine Phillips, father as John Jones.   Which is interesting because going back on some notes I made from a chat I had with my father, he mentioned that he heard her maiden name was Phillips.  I had totally forgotten about it.   

I have had a looked on Ancestry, for any census reports, because I was hoping to find siblings for John Edward.  So far no luck but I am still searching.  I would really appreciate it if you could guide me on where to look for more information about this family.  To me it appears the way I have been searching has not turned up much yet.  I just thank you for your information otherwise he would have remained lost. 
The wedding certificate is another story.  It is the wrong wife's name.  I can't find the marriage between John Edward and Elizabeth Maddison.  Yet my grandmother's birth cert. states Elizabeth Maddison as the mother and my grandmother was her first child.  Census reports indicate it is her all the way up to 1911.  According to the marriage cert. her name is Elizabeth Morrison.  This is so weird.
All the best...Irene33

[Gadget]

Hi Irene 

I'm glad that the birth cert seems to tally with what Paul found in the baptism records. I'll have a mosey around to see if I can find a suitable marriage for John Jones and Catherine Phil(l)ips and get back to you.

Sorry about the marriage cert - are you sure that it's wrong. It could be an error from the original  entry that's been carried  forward. Does it give John's age, occupation and father's details correctly?


Gadget

[irene33]

Hi Gadget,
Regarding the birth. cert was it normal to not put an address for the parents or where the birth occurred?  So do you think these might be part of you ancestors?

About the marriage cert. for John Edward and Elizabeth Maddison.  Your right I can only think that an error occurred on the original entry and it has been carried forward.  The age of both and names of parents (in Elizabeth's case her father's his first name (Mark).  John's father's name is correct and his age.  The only thing different is the last name.

I am guessing there would be nothing that I can do about that "if" the original entry was done in error.

Thanks again for looking for the marriage of John & Catherine.   

Irene33