John Edward Jones c. 1873

[Gadget]

Hi Irene

Did you find the marriage via the FreeBMD index or the full GRO listing?

It is possible for names to be wrongly transcribed. The national indexes (which give quarter, volume and page numbers) are copied from returns sent in by local registration offices which are in turn copied from the original registers.  Errors can creep in at any of these stages.

If you give me the ref and where they married, I'll have a look as well.


Gadget


PS - how do you know that his father was John - is it from family info?

[irene33]

Hi Gadget

I just wanted to let you know I have ordered John E. Jones b. certificate and I also order the marriage shown 1893.  This is the one I think the wife's maiden name should be Maddison  John Edward Jones, Dec qtr, 1893 volume 10a Page 610.
While researching the marriage I went to Durham Online to see what they had and this is what came from them

Marriages, Easington District
Record Number: 1541.1
Location: Wingate Grange
Church: Holy Trinity
Religion: Anglican
4 Dec 1893 John Edward Jones, age 20, son of John Jones married Elizabeth Morrison, age 19, daughter of Mark Morrison

I don't know how long they will take to arrive in Canada.  I will let you know when I receive them.  Thanks for your encouragement.
Irene

[Gadget]

Hi Irene

Does Elizabeth's age, location fit with the info that you have from the 1901 and 1911?

I look forward to hearing what the certificates contain.

I'm deep in Co.Durham now. Your request made me look at some Durham miners b. Chirk and I've now found so many relatives that I didn't know I'd got. It's one of my 2 xgreat grandmother's brothers and offsprings lines  and I'd somehow not followed them up fully.


Gadget

[irene33]

Hi Gadget,
Everything fits within a year, could be because the census was done in April and birthdays were later in the year. 

Just to go back a little so within the Chirk area, there are 2 Chirk Greens. 
I remember seeing the Forge now on the 1901 census.   Are they villages or just rows of houses a colliery owner built?   

As far as the birth and marriage certificates are concerned this is the closest I have ever come to thinking these could be the right ones.   

Because he was only maybe 18 or 19 when he went to Easington, maybe he moved to Easington with some family.  I also thought as 2 of his children were born outside County Durham they would have moved maybe because a family member of his told him of work.   As far as I know all her family were from Easington area going back a few generations.
I guess I really won't know until the certificates get here.  .....Irene

[Gadget]

Hi Irene

Chirk (Y Waun in Welsh)  was a fairly large parish with it's main centre around the church. Shops,pubs and other services are concentrated on the main through road that was the old A5 coach road to Holyhead - called Church Street as it passes through the village. There are a number of settlements in addition to this area:

Black Park/Halton to the North East of the village - located close to the site of the previous Black Park Colliery

Rhosywaun to the North of the village - mainly a concentration of housing built in the ?1930s and further extended in the late 1940s-50s. The Wharf is adjacent to this settlement but was there earlier.

Chirk Green - primarily a community based on the old rows of miners cottage - now knocked down and redeveloped

Pentre - a settlement to the North of Black Park

The Forge/Pontyblew to the East  - more an area of scattered houses close to the old forge than a settlement itself

Bronywaun/Church View -mainly a post WW2 housing development adjacent to the 'village' but extending for about a mile to the east.

Over the last 30 years more and more private  housing (Maesywaun, Lodge Vale, etc.)  has been built on the remaining land between these settlements so that only the outlying areas of Pentre, Black Park and the Forge/Pontyblew are distinct.

Other scattered housing and farms are located in the outlying areas.

There are two large 'family seats' - Chirk Castle, the home of the Myddleton family and Brynkinallt, the home of the Trevors.


Have a look at these two links:


http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Chirk/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirk


Gadget

[irene33]

Hi Gadget,

Thanks for the information and links about Chirk.   That photo you sent of Forge earlier was great.  That photograph finally seemed to bring the Jones side of the family "alive".  This is the interesting part, finding where they lived, the type of work they did, the history and area they lived in.   Just putting a family tree together is just the beginning.

Thanks again if you have any other handy links I am always interested.  You are a mountain of information and it is all appreciated by me
Irene33

[Gadget]

If you like old photos, here's another site. I'm not sure how long it's been since it was updated but you might find it interesting:

http://www.chirk.org.uk/



Gadget

[hiraeth]

Hi Irene & welcome

The index does show Elizabeth Morrison marrying Easington in Dec Q 1893 but I couldn’t find a Mark Morrison in Co. Durham in 1891 but found this family:

1891 ref RG12/4110/30/13
Water Street, Thornley, Durham

Mark Maddison, head, Mar, age 42, Fireman in  Coal Mine, Durham Pittington
Mary Maddision,  wife, Mar, age 35, Durham Pittington
Elizabeth Maddison, dau, age 16, Durham Thornley
Sarah Maddison, dau, age 14, Durham Thornley
Bartholomew Maddison, son, age 13, scholar, Durham Thornley
Thos Maddison, son age 12, scholar, Durham Thornley
Francis Ann, dau, age 2, Durham Thornley
Gowan R, son age 1, Durham Thornley

Free bmd has a marriage for a Mark Maddison with a Mary Burns on the same page
Dec Q 1872  Durham, GRO ref 10a/671

Hope this helps
Heather

[irene33]

Hi Heather,
Thank you for looking.  I did find the same/or similar information, that is why I think the Elizabeth Morrison is really Elizabeth Maddison and someone translated the name incorrectly.  Especiallly when its a southerner listing to a Gordie accent.

I do know from family that my grandmother's mother was named Elizabeth and was born in Thornley. 
I have ordered the marriage cert.  So hopefully it will have the correct spelling.  Having said all this it is great that you found supporting information encourages me to think I am on the right track.

thanks for the help....Irene33