John Edward Jones c. 1873

[irene33]

I am new, I need help or direction of where I should search.
My Grandmother's father - John Edward Jones and according to census records he states he was born in Chirk, Denbigh Wales.  It the 1911 census (he was living in Easington, Durham by then) he has stated Chirk Green, Denbigh, Wales.   His father's name was also John.
I am having problems finding enough information to order a Birth record (Jones being such a common name)
I would appreciate some guidance.  Thanks

[wendy47]

Hi irene33 & welcome to Rootschat.

Do you have your grandmother's birth certificate? That will give the mother and father's names. You can then look for the parents marriage, which will give their father's names and the place of your grandmother's birth. Where were they in 1911? Do you have her birthplace?

When was your grandmother born?

Do you know  http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl which will enable you to search these.

Wrexham registration district covers Chirk.

You can order certificates online from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Wendy

[Katie123]

Hi Irene!
I've looked at the 1881 Census...could this be your family?

John JONES   Head   M   Male   33   Ruabon, Denbigh, Wales   Coal Miner     
 Martha JONES   Wife   M   Female   32   Ruabon, Denbigh, Wales       
 John E. JONES   Son   U   Male   10   Ruabon, Denbigh, Wales   Scholar     
 John JONES   Head   M   Male   49   Chirk, Denbigh, Wales   Blacksmith     
 Mary JONES   Wife   M   Female   39   Ruabon, Denbigh, Wales       

(bit of an odd household??)

hope this helps 

EDIT: they were living at 8 Russell Street, Ruabon, Denbigh

[Gadget]

 

Nothing wrong with being born in Chirk Green 

I'll see if I can find something out about the family at the weekend when I'm back with my records, if you've not solved it by then

Chirk came under the Oswestry Registration district until 1935. as it was part of the Oswestry Poor Law Union from which the original  Registration Districts were formed. I think they're  on the North Wales BMD now so that would pinpoint his birth more accurately.


Gadget  - born in CG 

[Gadget]

March q, 1873, Oswestry vol 6a page 756

The only John Edward Jones  around then registered Oswestry.


Gadget

[Gadget]

There were two Chirk Greens in Chirk. One was a small row of cottages in the Rhosywaun area of Chirk but the most likely one was the community of 5 rows of miners terraced cottages built by the colliery owners between circa 1860 and 1890 to house their workers. This is the Chirk Green that those of us who come from the area regard as Chirk Green.

A bit about it on this thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,364967.0.html


Gadget 

[irene33]

Thank You all for your assistance. 
My Grandmother (Barbara Jones) was born in Thornley, Durham (Easington District) 1896
Her father was born (sorry I don't an exact date) about 1871 or 1872.  Her birth certificate shows her father is John Edward Jones.
I have a copy of the 1901 census and the 1911 census.  In each one he (Barbara Jones's father) he states was born in Chirk, Denbigh, Wales.
Because of the amount of Jones names and to finding the correct district I was never sure of the right family.
There is another problem with the marriage of my grandmother's parents.  Which is a whole new kettle of fish.
As I am unfamiliar with Wales the information you have all given helps a lot.    PS I live in Canada

[irene33]

Hi there,
Thanks for all the information on Chirk and the look-up you have searched for me.  I know I put 1873 but I could be wrong.  I will check when I get home.  When I lookup IGI it gave Parish names and BMD is districts this is where I was having problems.  So what Parish or District is Chirk? 
Thank you all...I will be in touch again once I have reviewed what I have

thanks your all wonderful

[Gadget]

Hi Irene 

If you are going to get a birth cert, I'd love to know the number of the house in Chirk Green and his mother's maiden name. There might possibly be some family connection.

Chirk is a parish in it's own right but the parishes were combined into registration districts in 1837 for statutory registration purposes. The registration district for Chirk was Oswestry from 1837 to 1935.

There  were three John Edward Jones registered Oswestry in 1871. None in 1872. One in 1870 and the one in 1873.


Gadget