Edwards, LLanarmon D.C. Denbighshire

[Aldeas]

Hi annun

We  are in Vancouver, Canada, at the moment visiting relatives and just checking our e-mails  on their computer.  Just wanted you to know that  we are not ignoring you and will be in touch again in a week or so on our return.  Sounds as though you have been busy with your research.  I did see on the IGI some records where the names Edward and surname  Roberts appeared for their children  Ellin, Anne and Mary and will have to consider on my return.  Weather hasn't been too kind to us over the past three weeks but today has been great ...hope it continues!!! Regards Aldeas

[annun]

Hi Aldeas.                Llanarmon D.C
                 
                John Roberts ==Elinor Roberts.  married 1704
                 born 1684            born 1684.
.
.John  &  Robert..            .EdwardRobert       Robert..
twins.17.Nov.1716.       4.Nov.1710        2.Dec.1705--1716


.You can leave the rough wether in Canada,it's nice and warm here in Chirk,have a nice holiday, :)Regards Annun.

[Aldeas]

Hi Annun

Back home yesterday after our holiday.  From the information you very kindly sent me do I take it that the surname Roberts which appears in some records  was transposed and became Robert Edward and Edward Robert (both brothers marrying a Jane) and  are they ancestors  we have been looking for ?
                 
   
Regards Aldeas           

[annun]

Hi Aldeas  welcome home hope you had a relaxing break,
     
 The John Roberts married to Elinor 1704,has the address Llanarmon D.C, FLINT ...and there are no marriages recorded in 1704 in the Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog,  so there are a number of questions to be asked, I will check the burial records of LLanarmon D.C first to see if there is a connection,and I'm sure that Llanarmon yn Ial was all so in Denbighshire, and was on the border of Flintshire.  Do you have these people ?,they are Elisabeth Daniel's relations I take it .
               Robert Daniel =Elisabeth  of Trebrys.
        sons,     Edward   .& .   Robert
            born .1 Nov 1809       9 Nov 1810.

do you recall  Thomas Andrew a witness of Morris and Janes marriage ,I found him on a census living in Llanfair Dyffryn Clwyd,
was he the son of Edward &  Jane Tyn y fedw.

So Robert Edwards & Edward EDWARDS both married to a Jane,is correct, Their Llanarmon D.C ancestors ? ..they need checking,Regards Annun

[Rol]

Hi Annun and Aldeas,


This may well be a source that one or both of you have sucked dry long ago,  but I just thought that it might be worth posting a link to some of the material on the Sarffle/Sarphle family to be found in the archives of the RootsWeb Clwyd List.  If those and related messages are all very stale info for you,  at least the link might help some future reader of this thread.

I am afraid that otherwise I know next to nothing about the families you are researching.  Ref. Replies 14, 16 and 20,  I observe that Hafina Clwyd attributed an alternative (additional?) wife to the Morris Hughes who was b.1768,  and a different house:

The youngest of Sarffle's ten children was Morris (1768-1857) of Plas, Clocaenog near Ruthin and he married Mary daughter of Cadwaladr Thomas, Penlan, Gwyddelwern.

So some reconciliation-of-source work probably required on that sub-issue.  I see that Reply 16 does mention that "Morris Hughes moved to C[l]ocaenog".  Reply 14 refers to "Morris Hughes born 25,1,1767 married Jane Edwards",  while Reply 20 speaks of "Morris Hughes 1768-1857 whom married Jane Edwards".


Rol

[Aldeas]

Hi annun

According to the LLanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog  Parish Records Jane Edwards married Morris  Hughes 9.1.1798 Witnesses Thomas Andrew and Thomas Lewis. This Thomas Andrew must be an earlier Thomas, say,  c1762.  There  is a  Thomas  Andrew born 22.5.1804  given as the son of Edward Andrew and Jane of Tyn y Fedw.  Edward Andrew and widow Jane Evans of Llansilin married 6.8.1802 Witnesses Edward Edwards and Thomas Jones.  I am assuming there could be a connection between the Edwards and Andrew families of Tyn y Fedw but how.  Do you think we will ever get the answers? 

I do have Robert Daniel and Elizabeth of Trebrys and their 2 sons. I also have an Elizabeth 1814.

Regards Aldeas

[annun]

Hi Aldeas .Thanks ROL for posting the link relating to Morris Hughes...Aldeas is a descendant of Edward Edwards the brother of Morris Hughes's first wife Jane,the family that Hefina refers to whom emigrated to the U.S.A and the family which I'm descended from are the product of Morris & Jane's marriage (Llanarmon D.C). Mary their daughter married a Hughes with Gwerclas and Llwynsaint family connections..as for Morris's second wife Mary Thomas,Cadwaladr Thomas's daughter, I'm unsure.and as for "Plas",they may have lived there,the 1851 Census for Tre'r Park and Morris's death certificate indicate that he is residing at "Park" Clocaenog.Regards Annun

[Rol]

Hi Annun,

... as for Morris's second wife Mary Thomas,Cadwaladr Thomas's daughter, I'm unsure ...

Me too!  Before seeing Hafina Clwyd's post,  had you ever come across any sign of this Mary Thomas,  I wonder;  I see now from the topic you started in July headed Hughes Llanarmon D.C,and Clocaenog,  which has yet to garner any responses,  that the concept of a second wife for Morris was not new to you.  I wonder what the extra pointers were that prompted you write in that opening post "Im aware that Morris Hughes had more than one marriage at Glynceiriog and Clocaenog" -- and whether those pointers fit in with Hafina Clwyd's info,  or perhaps actually contradict it.  (I suppose wife no. 2 might just appear in the 1841 census.)

... as for "Plas",they may have lived there,the 1851 Census for Tre'r Park and Morris's death certificate indicate that he is residing at "Park" Clocaenog.

Yes,  I would hazard a guess that the two names do refer to the same house.  Maybe someone with detailed local knowledge will help us with that point.

Ref. my last post,  I wonder whether you are able to shed any light on whether Morris Hughes's correct dates of birth/baptism fell in 1767 or in 1768?

... the family which I'm descended from are the product of Morris & Jane's marriage (Llanarmon D.C). Mary their daughter married a Hughes with Gwerclas and Llwynsaint family connections.

That is interesting.  My apologies to Aldeas for straying away from his main (Edwards) focus;  but your remark about connections with Gwerclas and Llwynsaint is new on this thread -- although I have now just seen from the 8 July topic,  started on the Denbighshire Lookup Offers board,  that you did touch on the subject there.  If (but really only if) you have the relevant file easily and conveniently accessible,  it would be nice to have some chapter and verse on the exact link.


Rol

[Aldeas]

According to LLanarmon Parish Records Jane Edwards 1764  was the SECOND wife of Morris Hughes of Sarphle.  They married 9.1.1798 Llanarmon D.C.  Morris's  FIRST marriage was to  Mary Cadwaladr Thomas of Glyn Ceiriog  on 25.5.1792.   As far as I can tell they had one child Edward Hughes born 18.7.1793 LLoran.  Don't know if Edward Hughes lived and how Mary  died...could have been in childbirth?

Aldeas