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Re: Vicars/Rectors in 1600's
« Reply #18 on: Friday 07 August 09 13:45 BST (UK) »
A few thoughts from your previous replies. 

Bernard was a goldsmith and banker.  He was probably a banker and a member of the Goldsmiths Guild in London.  Even in the 17th century the guilds were becoming businessmen's clubs as well as trade guilds.  Goldsmiths was the top guild to which everyone aspired.  Any relevant records will be at Goldsmiths Hall as only a few later ones are in Guildhall Library.  The point is that he may not have served an apprenticeship, probably never worked as a goldsmith and obtained his membership of the guild through family connections.  Even apprentices of the goldsmiths needed a family connection.  Thus those records are worth tracing.

Returning to wills.  Only those of people with property in more than one diocese are usually found in the PCC records.  For a vicar you are much more likely to find one in the diocese records.  Was there any property mentioned in Bernard's will?  Have you found out how he obtained it by for example searching A2A.  I have found that in this period the movement of property between relations is another very useful source of family details.

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Re: Vicars/Rectors in 1600's
« Reply #19 on: Friday 07 August 09 23:15 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your comments and thoughts David.

You are correct in that Barnard was a Goldsmith/Banker. He signed his apprenticeship papers at Christmas 1654 where he was apprenticed to Robert Wellstead for a period of 8 years. I have a copy of his original signed apprenticeship papers where it states that he was the son of John Turner, Clerk of Wyddial Herts.

On the completion of his apprenticeship Barnard was granted his freedom on 8 Oct 1664. He, and his friend Sam Tookey, immediately opened their own private bank, called The Fleece or Golden Fleece in Lombard Street.

Having battled the effects of the plague the following year, the great fire on London in 1666, where Lombard Street was totally decimated, and then the stop on the exchequer by Charles II - where Barnard "lent" over £16,000 to the crown - Barnard Turner remained in business throughout these turbulent years.

He was certainly a member of the Goldsmith's Livery as he was chosen to be a member of the Court of Assistants (the governing body) on 2 November 1685.

His will doesn't mention any specific property by name unfortunately but according to A2A he certainly purchased a lot of land and homes in the nor'east of Herts.

He also records that his brother William was living with him at the time of writing his will. I found the burial of William Turner at Layston not long after Barnard's death.

I don't know if this William is the same guy as Sir William Turner who was a merchant in Lombard Street where he worked from his premises called, coincidently, The Fleece.

Unfortunately, although I have a lot of information about Barnard, I am still stuck with his father John Turner.

All I have is guesswork and speculation so far but I'll keep trying  ::)

Appreciate your help

Di

 


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Re: Vicars/Rectors in 1600's
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 03 January 10 00:23 GMT (UK) »
Just tripted over this site and found John .....

http://venn.csi.cam.ac.uk/cgi-bin/search.pl?sur=&suro=c&fir=&firo=c&cit=&cito=c&c=all&tex=TNR619J&sye=&eye=&col=all&maxcount=50

I'm not convinced about the dates - I have his nruial as 6th Mar 1666 ....

Regards

Interested in Butt's, Crowch, Slatholme, Turner, Turnor in Layston and Buntingford in Herts

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Re: Vicars/Rectors in 1600's
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 03 January 10 07:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Church123,

Welcome to Rootschat and thanks for your interest and comments.

The information on your link is almost all the information I have about John Turner but I can confirm that he was buried in St Bartholomew's Church Layston on 6th March 1662/3 as I have just rechecked the original parish records.

Any other information that you have about the Rev John would be most welcome.

Thanks for your help

Di

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« Reply #22 on: Sunday 03 January 10 17:45 GMT (UK) »
Did you say he went to Cambridge University? Do you know which college? Many of the college archivists are very helpful about tracking people down and finding out if there is any extra information about them. However,  I had a look on Janus http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk but couldn't see any one who could be your John Turner.

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Re: Vicars/Rectors in 1600's
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 28 January 10 21:32 GMT (UK) »
My apologies Humpty - I should have answered your post a long time ago  :-[

Thanks for checking janus records for me.

John Turner entered Clare college Cambs in Easter 1619. (BA 1622/3, MA 1626)

I have a summary of his time there from the Cambs Alumni - as per the link posted by Church123. Unfortunately that's the extent of the information. I wasn't aware that there were such people as the College Archivists for the Cambs Colleges so I'll see if I can find such a person and ask for their assistance.

Many thanks for your suggestion

Di
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« Reply #24 on: Friday 29 January 10 09:41 GMT (UK) »
No problem, Lady Di!

Here's the person you want:

http://www.clare.cam.ac.uk/about/archives/index.html

    Ms. Elizabeth Stratton,

    Edgar Bowering Archivist,
    Clare College Archives,
    Queens Road,
    CAMBRIDGE
    CB3 9AJ
    Tel. 01223 765059 (answerphone available)

    E-mail: archives@clare.cam.ac.uk

Let me know if you find you need anything from the University archives as I am currently working in the building and may be able to help.

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Re: Vicars/Rectors in 1600's
« Reply #25 on: Friday 29 January 10 10:06 GMT (UK) »
Thanks ever so much Humpty

I've sent Ms Stratton an email but don't expect much in return as John Turner/Turnor is a very common name and they probably don't have a lot of information about fellows once they leave. Still, I have my fingers crossed anyway  ;D

Thanks for the offer of assistance in the Uni. I have quite a few rellies buried in the Kings Chapel but not too many in Clare college.

If you do happen to be visiting Kings Chapel (and I know it's not the 'done thing"  :-X ) I wouldn't mind a picture of the place - inside or outside.

Sadly I don't expect there'd be too many burials or memorials still showing for the 1600's in the chapel though.  :(

Thanks a lot  :-*

Di
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