Williams in Holt, Wrexham 1861/71 COMPLETED

[sarah99]

I am looking for help finding the siblings of Ellen Williams born August 1862 in what looks like Ftorge, Llai in the sub-district of Holt.  Her parents were married in 1852 so i am sure there were older siblings. 

Parents names
Edwin Maurice (sometimes just maurice) Wiliams - a coal mine labourer and latterly a fireman.
Sarah Williams (nee Hannaby)

Ellen was in manchester by 1881 working as a servant - but I have no idea whether the whole family moved.

does anyone know anything about coal mining in wrexham in the 19th century - I can find references to 20th century mining but not much else.

Thank you

Sarah

[Morganllan]

Ellen was probably born in Llay near Wrexham (although 1871says Broughton which is nearby)

There are a couple of collieries at Llay mentioned on this site:

http://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/Photo.htm

and BBC site:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/sites/wrexham/pages/llaycolliery.shtml

Wrexham Council has Bersham Mining museum:
http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/heritage/bersham_colliery.htm

1871 children of Maurice and Sarah Williams:
Henry age 16 born 1855
Edward age 14 born 1857
Thomas age 10 born 1861
Emma age 8 born 1863
Ellen age 6 born 1865
Mary age 2 born 1869
All born Broughton, Nr Wrexham

Maurice age 48 born 1823 Shifnal, Shropshire
Sarah age 46 born 1846 Hope Flintshire.

Maurice and Sarah married at Gresford All Saints Church in 1852. Ref C11/01/143 from Wrexham Council register Office

In 1881 Maurice (sp Morris) appears to be a widower boarding with his wife's family (Edward Hannaby) at Cappers Lane Gresford. Ellen is listed as a visitor so she was enumerated in 2 places! RG11 5518 / 32 Page 9.

[Paul]

First request was some time ago Morgan.

Gresford marriage May 15 1852.
Maurice Williams. full age. bachelor. Labourer. Llay. Father, Thomas. Labourer.
Sarah Hannaby(x) full age. spinster. Llay. Father, Robert. Labourer.
Witnesses. Charles Bartlett & William Davies.

Gresford baptisms for the children of Edwin Maurice & Sarah Williams. abode Llay

July 2 1854. Henry. fathers Occ. Labourer.
Nov 14 1858. Edward Williams. fathers Occ, Fordgeman.
Nov 14 1858. Emma.                  """"""""""""""""""""""
Jan 4 1861. Thomas. s/o Morris & Sarah. """"""""""""""
Aug 16 1863. Ellen. fathers Occ, Labourer.

Paul.

[Morganllan]

Once I posted, I noticed that it was a while ago, but Sarah had logged in recently. Put it down to time of night 

Hopefully Sarah will find it useful....

Thanks, Paul

[Paul]

I'm sure we've been more of a help than a hindrance, Morgan.

Paul.

[sarah99]

Yes - thank you! It is very useful. I don't come on this site as often as I used to so apologies for the delay in replying and thanking you. I continue to struggle with my Welsh connections so this will be of great help.

Regards

Sarah