George Montague BURTON - Vic - possibly Married 1847 Devonport, England

[Laura444]

Greetings to all on this message board 

I am hoping to request a look up for a marriage when someone has the opportunity to look into the appropriate records.

Details as follows:

Groom - George Montague BURTON in Devonport, England
Date - 10th July 1847
Bride - Unknown

Genuine apologies for not being able to narrow further to a specific church.

Background information that may assist:

This fellow seems to be a bit of a rogue    He has popped up in my ancestry as the second husband of my 3x gr.grandmother.

On the marriage certificate to my 3x gr.grandmother in 1869, Victoria, Australia, George Montague BURTON is widowed (March 1867) and all 5 children of this first marriage are indicated as dead.

Various documents indicate his place of Birth as Dublin Ireland, however one mentions Devonport, Plymouth.

His parents are noted as Alfred Leopold BURTON - Ordinance Officer and Mary Ann BARNAN (?sp)

His d.o.b appears to be c1820/1821 based on the sum of many documents!

I would be very grateful for any light that can be shed on this group. I have tried all soughts of online lists but have been foiled so far!

Thank you in advance to those considering this query. All suggestions gratefully received.

Kind regards,

Laura Roemkens

[CaroleW]

Hi Laura

Where did you get the date of marriage from?

There is no 1847 marriage on freebmd or the IGI.  IGI entries would have included his wife's name

Without the name of the church - it makes searching difficult

Could this have been a Naval marriage as Devonport was a naval base

[DOB7]

Well, he didn't marry in the Church of England around Devonport area, nor is a marriage shown on FREEBMD in 1847. From where did you get that  date?

The following entry in the 1851 census seems likely:

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[Laura444]

Hi CaroeW,

Many thanks for your interest in this query. I also have been disappointed in not finding anything on IGI or FreeBMD.

The date of marriage I found noted on the birth certificate of his first child to his second marriage.

On Victorian (Australia) Birth certificates there is a column requesting "when and where married" and "issue living and deceased".

In this column it notes date and place of both marriages as well as the names of the deceased children.

Children's names vary between two different records, and are:

Record one:

Mary Ann, Frederich, Alfred, Florence and George.

Record two:

Charles, George Montezure, Alfred Leopold, Charlotte and Albertend.

I cannot guess whether this was a Naval marriage or not. George Montague BURTON's occupations in his Australian life were contractor and painter.

I am sorry I cannot add more details yet. Would it be easier to track burials for children (ie George or Alfred) ??

Thank you again for your willingness to assist.

Regards, Laura

[butler]

Sorry - I sent you a message which I should have done as a reply but I messed up. So here it is. You answered some of my questions in your reply to others so I will see what I can find for you.

Laura,
I found a family tree that shows a George Montague Burton, marrying Eliza Daley in 1869 Australia, and dying in 1905 Essendon, Australia.

They say he was born 1842 Dublin which does not match. They then show a link to 1851 census for St. Lukes, Middlesex, London which they say is his family but in that census he is shown as born London, not Dublin?? So their own information does not agree  with their source. I am wondering if they have the birth year wrong and have just found a family in England with a son of same name and assumed it was him??

Can you tell me the name of wife  your George married. 

It is hard to find Irish census but I have access to the England census so will try to find him there with first wife. I just wanted to confirm his possible birth year.

I know you don't know the name of his first wife, but do you know name of any of children from that marriage?
Do you know when he went to Australia? Should he be in both 1851 and 1861 census for England?

Carolyn L

[avm228]

Hello

There's a thread on an Ancestry forum suggesting that the George Montague BURTON who married Eliza HARRINGTON nee DAL(E)Y in Victoria in 1869 subsequently died in Essendon in 1905 aged 63 (having been born in Dublin in 1842). It also suggests that at death his parents were listed as George Howe BURTON and Mary STEEL.

You may have information which contradicts the above (or it may be irrelevant to your tree) but I thought I should mention it!

Anna

Sorry to Carolyn for some duplication here

[Laura444]

Hello DOB7, CaroleW, Anne and Carolyn L,

Thank you very much for your posts.

You are correct! I omitted the details of his second marriage so as not to confuse in this look up regarding his first marriage.

I have recently come into contact with the lady that has posted the tree you have noted on Ancestry....she is descended from the second child of George Montuague BURTON and Eliza/beth DAL(E)Y, and I am descended from a child of Eliza's first marriage to John HARRINGTON. There has been some incorrect advice given to hear in the past and I hope that together we can straighten out all the details!

The parents of George Montague BURTON I have indicated are those noted on his marriage certificate, so the best to believe in the first instance.......(though we all would know sometimes doesn't work out to be the case... )

I would be very grateful for anything that may be found in Devon records that would assist in filling some of the gaps in George Montague BURTON's early life.

Based on the sum of all certificates I have for George Montague BURTON, I believe his d.o.b can be estimated at c1820/1821. This would also fit with a 1847 date for his first marriage.

I am checking to see if what information is recorded on his death certificate today, though I do believe his date of death to be accurate at 1905.

Many thanks for all time and thoughts so kindly offered.

Regards, Laura

[Laura444]

ohhh....why does this happen...LOL 

Just printed out Goerge Montague BURTON's 1905 Death Certificate.

I can't see an option to attach, so transcribe:

George Montague BURTON

Occupation - Night Watchman

Age at death - 65 years (making birth c1840)

Parents -   father -  George Howe BURTON - Military Officer
                 mother - mary BURTON formerly STEEL

Death Informant - Wife - J.E. BURTON

Religious Minister - Methodist

Place of Birth - Yorkshire, England

In Australian Colonies - 40 years

If deceased was Married and issue of marriages:

First marriage - unknown, children unknown
Second marriage - in South Melbourne, Victoria at 56 years to Jane Elizabeth SYKES; no issue from second marriage.

Now, we have ENTIRELY different accounts of place of birth, parents, age. The two living son's from his marriage to Eliza DALY obviously were no longer in contact with him either., or at least not to his last wife's knowledge.

If the details on this death certificate were true, it's not possible that he was married in 1847...he would have been 7 years old!!

Crumbs....this will take some detangling....terribly grateful for opinions on how to differentiate the lies from the truth!!

Regards,

Laura

[avm228]

Hmmm...

Other than his name, there seems to be no overlap at all between the George Montague BURTON who died in Essendon in 1905 and the one who was married to Eliza(beth) nee DAL(E)Y in 1869.  Is there any reason to think that they are the same person?  Do you know that Eliza(beth)'s husband George went on to marry a Jane Elizabeth SYKES?

Anna