George Montague BURTON - Vic - possibly Married 1847 Devonport, England

[DOB7]

I would suggest you search censuses - 1841 & 1851 at least to see if you can spot a likely character.

[Laura444]

Hello Anna and DOB7,

Thank you for your messages 

Anna, yes, I have now a similiar thought, but I didn't imagine there could be two George Montague BURTON's kicking around in the suburbs of Melbourne at the same time in the 1800's. The one factor that leads me to consider it may be the one person is that the death certificate of one of George Montague BURTON's son's indicates parents as George BURTON and Jean BURTON...perhaps the Jane Elizabeth he "married" as third wife.

I've gone back to the VIC BDM's and searched for George BURTON death between 1877 (the year the last child to second wife was born) and 1930. There is only one other possibility - where both parents are listed as unknown, other than the death in 1905 noted above.

Perhaps I can find George BURTON b.1842 leaving his parents in England and see if that fits with dates for marriages out here in Australia......perhaps that son of George Howe BURTON never left England??? Worth trying!

DOB7,

I will go back to the censuses and try more combinations...who knows if luck will be on our side!

Thank you again for all time and effort spent on my query.

Kind regards,

Laura

[krisesjoint]

Hi Laura,

On lookup requests boards it is not possible to add attachments. It is not permitted to attach complete certificates on any board I am afraid, due to copyright issues.  On some boards a small section may be posted to allow you to get a little help in working out what it says. Other than that you do need to transcribe the information from the cert.

We do not seem to be getting anywhere with this in Devon therefore I am going to send it to Australia to see if anything can be found to help. I tend to agree with Anna that looking at this it does not appear to be the same person. I note on one of your lists of George's Children is a George Montezure. Just wondering if that may even be the man who died in 1905. 

I note that in the 1903 Electoral Roll at - 9 Marshall St, Moonee Ponds

BURTON George Montague - Painter
BURTON Jay Elizabeth - Registered Nurse

Cheers Kris 

[cando]

Laura may I suggest you google George's full name.  There are many requests and replies on many family history forums about a man that is either him or someone of the same name.  May help with the elimination process.

Where and when did Eliza HARRINGTON/DALY/EY/BURTON die?

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

A couple of directory entries

1875
BURTON George M  Well Street, Brighton   Painter

1880
BURTON G M  Well Street, Brighton West   No occupation

1884  No entry for G M BURTON in the directory.

There is this death   A bit of a longshot really.

BURTON George
At Sandhurst  1888   Reg#3647 Parents unknown   69 years 

Burial record at Bendigo for this George.
http://www.bencemtrust.com.au/search.asp

There was a mention of  a BURTON/SYKES marriage - this is the only one I can find during the period.  It was stated that George married at 56 years of age and he died aged 65.  There should be a marriage c1894   The name on the marriage and death certs differs.

BURTON Geo Mulhall  b. England
SYKES Elizabeth b. England
1898  Reg#1425

Has this certificate been sighted?  If not, it may be useful to download it and compare it with  the George Montague's signature on the 1869 marriage ie if you think it is your George.

I have trawled the indexes and my gut feeling is, you have already mentioned, that George M [whatever his 2nd given name ] was a bit of a rogue, and I think this is your man.

Where was George Montague BURTON who died in 1905, buried?  The cemetery should be named on the death certificate. 

A tad difficult when there is so much conflicting information and someone was obviously telling porkies

Cheers
Cando

[Laura444]

Hi all 

Thank you very much for all your thoughts.

Let me try to answer all questions in one go here:

1. The Wells Street George M BURTON indicated above from the directories is the George Burton who married Eliza DALY in 1869. All three of their children were born at that address. In fact the first was born 2 months before they were married...making his conception Januray 1869. Eliza's first husband died 26th February 1868.

2. There are actually 3 George BURTON deaths in the VIC BDM which indicate parents unknown, which are possiblities. It may mean buying all three, but if he died alone, and did not wish to divulge past, there may be very little on them. I've struck this problem before.

3. The marriage of George MulHull BURTON and Elizabeth Sykes will be the one for the George BURTON who dies in 1905 in Essendon.

4. The George Montague BURTON that you see so frequently on the internet has been posted by the lady that I am now in contact with...LOL...she also has been given conflicting stories.


5. Eliza DALY's death certficate was in the name Elizabeth HARRINGTON. She died of an anurism of the brain on 29 March 1889. Although the three children she had with her second husband are listed on this death certificate, George BURTON is not mentioned anywhere. Not even a reference to him as a second marriage. Interestingly, the undertaker is E. BURTON. I have tried to trace this name to find the business ...but to no luck. The omissions on this cert are a really quandry.

6. Krisesjoint, thanks for the offer of passing it back to Australia. I have tried many angles here, but perhaps someone else can seee or access diffferent resources than already tried. The Moonee POnds Electoral Roll you refer to is one of the few for any year that come up. This fellow is the son of George Howe BURTON and Mary Ann Steel and is the fellow who died Essendon in 1905. I

7. My thought in requesting a look up of marriage in Devonport is that I can at least verify if MY George Montague BURTON did exist and marry at this time  (10 July 1847), and if the marriage didn't appear perhaps a death of the alledged wife or five children.

8. A final thought that does start to make me believe that  2 George Montague BURTON's existed is that the son of George Howe BURTON married in 1871 (Ann PIPER)  in the UK, while MINE was married in Victoria, Australia in 1869. Goerge and Eliza went on the have three children from 1869 to 1877.
I believe that the son of George Howe BURTON did come to Australia, and that's who died at Essendon in 1905!

9. Cando makes a very good point about comparing signatures....my George could write and signed his own name on documents.....Eliza DALY could only leave her mark. So comapring the marriage certificates could really shed some light.

Thank you again for all time and thoughts so far. I am very grateful for all!

Kind regards, Laura

[cando]

Just quickly...where is Elizabeth HARRINGTON buried.  It will be on the death cert?


I have found a reference to an Elizabeth ?BURTON and George BURTON and maintenance in ?1886.  Newspaper  report not digitised as yet on the NLA beta website.

I have found a reference to Missing Friends [paid advertisements in the Argus newspaper - a way of contacting new arrivals in the colony - a message service] to a George BURTON of Falmouth in Oct and Nov 1853.  These may to be too early for your George.  The newspapers in question have not been digitised as yet.  Patience is a virtue in this hobby of ours

I would think the comparisons of the the signatures on the 1869 and 1898 marriage certificates is the way to move  forward with your research.  He could have changed his name but it would be difficult to completely alter one's signature.

Will post more snippets as I find them.

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

I see Elizabeth HARRINGTON died Prahran and a search of nearby cemeteries

St Kilda Cemetery     
HARRINGTON  Eliza
Date of Service 29 Mar 1889       51 years
Burial     Roman Catholic - Monumental Grave Compt C Grave 691    
This memorial is held in perpetuity - for all time

and George is at Springvale

Springvale Botanical Cemetery     
BURTON George M   
Date of Service  13 May 1905   
Burial  Church of England - Monumental Compartment A Section 19 Grave 6    
Public Grave No   
This memorial is held in perpetuity - for all time

Cheers
Cando

[krisesjoint]

certainly a rogue

Police Gazette 15 Jun 1887

John RYAN alias George BURTON is charged on warrant with false pretences on Richard DRAKE 74 Queensberry St Hotham on the 4th instant.

Description: English, painter about 58 years of age, 5’7 or 8 high, medium build, fair complexion, dark hair, small sandy goatee mixed with grey otherwise clean shaven, thin features, talkative, wore dark coat, light trousers and vest and black boxer hat. Lately lived at the Red Lion Hotel, Drummond Street, Carlton. See previous notice
0.4585 10 June 1887

A note that he had been arrested by Malvern Police
0.4585 12 Sep 1887

Police Gazette - 29 Jun 1887

George BURTON is charged on warrant with false pretences on John WISHART Grocer of Inkerman and Chapel Streets St Kilda on the 13th Ultimo.

Description: Painter  60 years of age, 5’5 inches high, fair complexion, sandy goatee turning  grey otherwise clean shaved. Fond of playing a concertina in hotels. Identical to John RYAN alias George BURTON see police gazette 1887 page 184. Defendant obtained £7 10 shillings from complainant by means of a valueless check.
0.5012 - 27 June 1887

There is a note that this warrant was cancelled
0.5013 - 23 Sep 1887

Cheers Kris