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Re: George Montague BURTON - Vic - possibly Married 1847 Devonport, England
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 22 July 09 06:23 BST (UK) »
Listed as discharged from Prison 10 Oct 1888

RYAN John alias BURTON

Also noted this Charles Burton  :-\

wife Eliza and in same st where Richard DRAKE from earlier report lived.

Police Gazette 27 Jan 1886

Charles BURTON is charged on warrant with deserting his wife Eliza BURTON 105 Queensberry St Hotham on the 14th instant

Description: Irish painter and paperhanger about 60 years of age, about 5'8" high, slender build supposed to be clean shaven except a sandy mostache which is turning grey. One or two joints of fourth finger of right hand missing. Old scar on back of neck. Wore dark clothes and steel albert. Appearance of a card sharper. Has been recently in Castle Maine where he is known as Charles Thomas George BURKE. He is suspected of committing Bigamy. Supposed to be now in Melbourne.
0.531 25 Jan 1886

Arrested in South Melbourne for wife desertion
0.531 13 Feb 1886

0.531 20 Feb 1886

Charles BURTON - wife desertion. This offender is identical with John George Thomas BOURKE, charged with wife desertion in P.G. 1866

Looks like this chap was being looked for in 1869

http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5808993?searchTerm=%22John+George+Thomas+BOURKE%22

Cheers Kris  :)
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Re: George Montague BURTON - Vic - possibly Married 1847 Devonport, England
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 07:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Cando and Krisesjoint  ;D

Thank you both very much for looking up this information.

Cando...you are COMPLETELY correct about the signatures....they do match! I can see the NLA beta article you are mentioning...there's a couple there I'll be watching to open!!! Thanks for finding the maintenance reference! It really starts to put some flesh to the story about what was going on.

In the same grave as Elizabeth HARRINGTON are:

Frank CARROLL - buried 30/10/1896
Catherine CARROLL - buried 27/02/1888
Arthur CARROLL - buried 26/11/1887
Pearlie HOLLINGSWORTH - buried 18/06/1903

All were young children, I assume the grandchildren or other family of Eliza's. Though I haven't found a connection to either of the surnames as yet.


Krisesjoint.....thanks for the Police Gazette information. He really was a naughty boy eh? JohnRYAN may be his real name?? Now you start to wonder if he assumed the identity of George Montague BURTON - son of George Howe BURTON and Mary STEEL. His age from the police reports definitely puts him at d.o.b c1820's, and the above couple's son was born 1840's.

Is it possible gain access or copies of police or gaol records in Victoria through the Public Records Office (PROV)? And have they contained any useful information? My experience is primarily in dealing with NSW State Records.


Charles BURTON - wife desertion. This offender is identical with John George Thomas BOURKE, charged with wife desertion in P.G. 1866

Where is the PG mentioned here? Maybe there really was a first wife....you'd have to imagine there was if he married in his 50's to Eliza DALY/HARRINGTON.

Quite the dodgy one one he looks to be... ::)

Thanks again for all the help with this tricky guy!....I'll off to the online PROV to see what is there!

Many thanks again for all the time and care taken. It is well appreciated  ;D

Best wishes,

Laura
HOLMES - Victoria, AUS > Northumberland, UK
McNIVEN/McNEVIN - NSW, QLD > Argyllshire, Scotland
RYAN - NSW > Cordangan, Tipperary IRE
KENNY - Galway, IRE
GIBBS - QLD > Oxfordshire UK
HARRINGTON - Victoria, WA > Cork IRE
HUMPHRIES/HUMPHRIS - Victoria, WA > Gloucestershire UK
FRENCH - VIC > London, UK
DALY - VIC > Mala, Cork IRE
GLEESON - S.C NSW > Tipperary, IRE
LANE & CHURCH(H)OUSE -NSW > Somerset UK
LOFTS, MURKIN, HALLS - VIC > Suffolk, UK
RIDGWELL - SA, VIC > Essex UK
CHRISTIE - VIC > Antrim

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Re: George Montague BURTON - Vic - possibly Married 1847 Devonport, England
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 08:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Krisesjoint,

Regarding the NLA beta article about John George Thomas BURTON you noted above -

The occupier at 77 Collins Street East in 1869 was:

•1869.
77 Collins Street East, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Printers and Publishers. (Punch Office). [SM 1869].

This is "Punch" that was the satirical/political cartoonist popular in many publications at this time.

How this fits...goodness only knows...just though I'd add :)

Regards, Laura
HOLMES - Victoria, AUS > Northumberland, UK
McNIVEN/McNEVIN - NSW, QLD > Argyllshire, Scotland
RYAN - NSW > Cordangan, Tipperary IRE
KENNY - Galway, IRE
GIBBS - QLD > Oxfordshire UK
HARRINGTON - Victoria, WA > Cork IRE
HUMPHRIES/HUMPHRIS - Victoria, WA > Gloucestershire UK
FRENCH - VIC > London, UK
DALY - VIC > Mala, Cork IRE
GLEESON - S.C NSW > Tipperary, IRE
LANE & CHURCH(H)OUSE -NSW > Somerset UK
LOFTS, MURKIN, HALLS - VIC > Suffolk, UK
RIDGWELL - SA, VIC > Essex UK
CHRISTIE - VIC > Antrim

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Re: George Montague BURTON - Vic - possibly Married 1847 Devonport, England
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 30 July 09 06:52 BST (UK) »
Deaths of those interred with Eliza

CARROLL Frank
Father Carroll John  Mother Catherine HARRINGTON
2 years  Died at Melbourne Hospital  1896  Reg#14214

CARROLL Catherine
Father John Mother Catherine HARRINGTON
2 years  at South Yarra  1888  Reg#3878

CARROLL Arthur
Father John   Mother Catherine HARRINGTON
4 years  at Prahran   1887  Reg#15121

HOLLINGSWORTH Pearlie Isabel
Father Hollingsworth John  Mother Kate HARRINGTON
1 year at South Yarra   1903  Reg#7577

I can't see a CARROLL/HARRINGTON marriage and here are some births to Kate HARRINGTON.

I think the birth has actually been registered twice  after the death in 1896 hence the R symbol on the registration number. 

HARRINGTON Frank
Father Unknown    Mother Kate HARRINGTON
At Brunswick  1897  Reg#9019R

STEVENS Frank
Father Unknown Mother Kate HARRINGTON
At Brunswick  1897  Reg#9019R

CARROLL Leslie Bertram
Father John  Mother Catherine HARRINGTON
At South Yarra   1888  Reg#15760

There is no birth registration for a Pearlie Isobel CARROLL in either the HOLLINGSWORTH or HARRINGTON name.

Then we have this birth to Kate HARRINGTON and

STEVENS Nellie
Father Geo  Mother Kate HARRINGTON
At Jambunna   1895  Reg# 4446

and a marriage ;D
HARRINGTON Catherine  b. Daylesford
STEVENS George b. Daylesford
1892  Reg#6560

This could be his death

STEVENS Geo
Father Wm David  Mother Eliza LEICH
27 years at Daylesford  1895  Reg#1368


Leave you to sort this out.  Perhaps place in chronological order to make sense of it.

Cheers
Cando














 
 


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Re: George Montague BURTON - Vic - possibly Married 1847 Devonport, England
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 30 July 09 16:45 BST (UK) »
Hi cando,

Thank you very much for looking up these records.

This family really made their lives as difficult and complicated as possible didn't they!

I'll arrange them chronologically as suggested and see if I can make some sense of all these!

Many thanks again for your time and thoughts.

Regards,

Laura  :)
HOLMES - Victoria, AUS > Northumberland, UK
McNIVEN/McNEVIN - NSW, QLD > Argyllshire, Scotland
RYAN - NSW > Cordangan, Tipperary IRE
KENNY - Galway, IRE
GIBBS - QLD > Oxfordshire UK
HARRINGTON - Victoria, WA > Cork IRE
HUMPHRIES/HUMPHRIS - Victoria, WA > Gloucestershire UK
FRENCH - VIC > London, UK
DALY - VIC > Mala, Cork IRE
GLEESON - S.C NSW > Tipperary, IRE
LANE & CHURCH(H)OUSE -NSW > Somerset UK
LOFTS, MURKIN, HALLS - VIC > Suffolk, UK
RIDGWELL - SA, VIC > Essex UK
CHRISTIE - VIC > Antrim