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Help with Regiment please.
« on: Saturday 18 July 09 19:57 BST (UK) »
In the 1881 Census my g-grandfather, William Gallagher, is a soldier at an "infantry Camp" St Botolph, Colchester St Botolph, Essex. There is no indication of his Army number, or which Regiment he is with.
Help would be appreciated in determining his Army number and his Regiment.

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Re: Help with Regiment please.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 18 July 09 22:07 BST (UK) »
The normal way of discovering a man's regiment from a census entry is to look for the names of the officers. You can then look them up in the Army Lists. Unfortunately this section seems to be incomplete. Normally officers are listed at the start of the return - but not apparently in this case. If you go to page 12 it says that page 13 is later on, but although this is listed as Camp 1, there does not appear to be Camps 2 and 3 etc.

I suggest you post a question on the Essex section asking if anyone had the 1881 census on CD. It may be a problem with Ancestry, or it may be that the returns for Camps 2, 3 etc have been lost.

If you can get to Kew you can see if his papers have survived. Also, by looking at the places were children of other soldiers were born you may be able to identify the regiment from these. I see one (aged 3) on page 1 was born in the Cape. I will dig out an Army list from c1877 and see which regiments were in southern Africa at the time. You could also buy the birth certificate of his son. This may give the father’s the regiment.

The only way to discover his regimental number is from the man’s service record or the Muster Rolls in Kew.

Ken

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Re: Help with Regiment please.
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 19 July 09 13:10 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Ken for your comprehensive reply. I shall follow up on your suggestions and, hopefully, find some answers.

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Re: Help with Regiment please.
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 19 July 09 13:50 BST (UK) »
Your man is on page 5 of the census.  On page 3 is Lt. Colonel Arthur Fyler, and on page 6 is (amongst others) Lt. Balfour Western.  Google tells us that both these officers were in the 50th Regiment of Foot (The Royal West Kent Regiment).


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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 19 July 09 14:08 BST (UK) »
Well done Hughar. These officers and others on page 3 were in the 1st Battalion. In 1884 they were in Cyprus.

Ken

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 19 July 09 16:55 BST (UK) »
Many, many thanks to hughar and to Ken for identifying the Regiment. It was not one that I expected, but that's family history for you.  :)

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Re: Help with Regiment please.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 19 July 09 20:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Jongle,
               Heres a definitive list of deployments of 1st Battalion RWK.s from 1880 -1914 when your Great Grand dad was probably serving with them,(Courtesy of British Armed Forces and National Service Web site)


1880 England
1881.07.01 1st Battalion, The Queen's Own (Royal West Kent Regiment)
1881 England: Colchester
1882 Egypt
1882 Cyprus
1884 Sudan
1886 Gibraltar
1889 Malta
1892 India: Chakratta
1894 Meerut
1896 Peshawar
1899 Aden
1901 Malta
1902 England: Shorncliffe
1904 Malta
1906 England: Dover
1909 Bordon
1911 Ireland: Dublin
1914.08 France and Flanders 5 Div

                                                    Regards Rog.

PS:- Now you have his Reg etc  could try the West Kents Museum ,could give you his Number if yhey have any muster lists for the period .
WAGHORN/E
KENWARD
HARRIS
DIXON
MARSHALL
MERCER
CARE
FAGG
RUSSELL
WOODRUFF      

 All these  Families were Born and Bred in Kent

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 19 July 09 22:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the list Rog. That accounts for why one daughter is born in Cyprus, and one in Gibralter. In the 1891 Census, I think he may have given up soldiering, as he is listed as a "Barrack Labourer." Whatever that is?

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 20 July 09 09:11 BST (UK) »
Google Barrack Department. The Barrack Sergeants, with officers in larger barracks, were permanently based there to look after the barracks. Labourers would be civilians who did the manual work. Most would be ex-soldiers.

Larger camps would also employ Office Keepers who again were usually ex soldiers, good at admin.

Ken