Williams of Llansamlet before 1860

[pedroparker]

Hi

Im looking for some help, here's what i have:

My fathers mamgu (gran) was Ellen Williams b 1885 llansamlet d 1955, she had many brothers and sisters:
Margaret b1866
Hopkin b1868
William b1871 d1932
Thomas b1873
Guenllian b1875 d1875
Henry b1876
Gwenllian b1880 d1965
John b1883 d1963
Mary b1885 d1963
David b1887
Ann b1888
                 All with surname Williams and born in Llansamlet

Their mother was Eleanor Sims who married their father John Williams in 1866. 
I would like to trace the Williams side of the family, John Williams was born in Llansamlet in 1843 and I have tried to trace any brothers, sisters or parents, but havn't had much luck in doing so, I have one possibilty that I came accross but havn't been able to link much at all

So if anyone can help me find his past, parents, granparents, etc, before his marriage I would be very grateful

Thanks

Pedro

[wendy47]

Hi pedroparker

Do you have John & Ellen's wedding certificate from 1866 as this will give you his father's name & occupation?

There are several possiblities in the censuses and it would help to give all the information you have.

I would suggest if you don't have it, to purchase it as it will help you through the Williams' maze.

Marriages Dec 1866
SIMS    Ellen    Neath    11a    798

You can order online if you didn't know

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Wendy

[Non]

Hi Pedro,

I have transcribed the marriages from Llansamlet Parish Church from 1837 to 1920 and have the following;

Married November 10th 1866

John Williams bachelor age 24 Occupation; Banksman, Address; Pentre Engine, Father; Thomas Williams,Occupation; Collier.

Ellen Sims spinster age 20 Address; Bonymaen, Father; Hopkin Sims, Occupation; Collier

Witnesses; David Sims, Prudence Sims. (bother & sister in law of the bride)

 Ellen (Elinor) Sims is sister to my OH great grandmother

Regards
Non

[pedroparker]

thanks Wendy47,

Non has kindly provided us with the marriage info,

thanks Non,

I have a good bit of info for the sims side going back to the 1700's but hardly any for the Williams. It's almost as bad as tracing Smith

Ellen also went under names of Elinor - as Non said and Eleanor.

It would be interesting to no which Sims sister you are linked to Non, and if you are still living in the area, as my dad and his cousin often meet up with family members and swap info and photos

[wendy47]

Hi

There is this one which may be him

1861 Census for Wainllestr? Llansamlet

Thomas Williams     50 Head Coal Miner b Tregwl Llanst, Glamorgan, Wales
Margaret Williams    49 Wife b Llanst.
John Williams    17 Son Coal Miner b Llanst.
William Williams 17 Son Coal Miner  b Llanst.
Elizabeth Williams    11 Dau b Llanst.

 RG9 Piece 4094 Folio 8 Page 12

I wondered if Lanst. was Llansamlet

Wendy

[pedroparker]

That's brill Wendy! 

Wainllestr/Wernllestr is an area my dad remembers family used to live in llansamlet, Cwm chapel area, mostly welsh speaking, not a huge place, so this sounds very likely to be him.

I have never heard of Tregwl though, maybe the area has been knocked down or cleared over the years. It is abreviated as Llanst , which is still probably short for Llansamlet as you mentioned, I'm trying to think of any areas close by it could be, starting with 'Llans' and ending with a 't'

pedro

[pedroparker]

hi wendy,

I have found Tregwl!

It is mentioned on the british history online site, parliamentary boundaries Swansea.
It says the boundary hamlet of st. thomas near Tregwl.

st. thomas is a short walk away so he must be the correct 1.

pedro

[wendy47]

Hi Pedro

1851 census for Wainllestr Llansamlet

Thomas William     40 Head Collier b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales
Margaret William    40 Wife  b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales
Margaret William    14 Dau at home  b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales
Rachel William    10 Dau  Scholaress b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales
John William    8 Son Scholar b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales [a twin]
William William    8 Son Scholar b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales [a twin]
Mary William    4 Dau Scholaress b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales
Elizabeth William 14 Mo Dau b Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales
   
 HO107 Piece 2464 Folio 641 Page 20

Wendy

[wendy47]

Hi Pedro

I have been looking at births and found the following, which may be them

Births Jun Quarter 1843
WILLIAMS John Neath 26 465

Births Jun Quarter 1843
Williams    William    Neath    26    465

1851 census taken on 30 March

Wendy