help please

[doghouse]

i nead help please finding a death date for a Thomas Warman, he was born 1845 Salford Manchester.
hes on the 1891 census  living at 2 Crown Street Brentwood.
with is wife Sarah, daughter Hephzibah and niece Mary and brother George.
but no sign of Thomas on the 1901 or 1911 census.
i do have Sarah living with her daughter on the 1901 census and shes down as a widow so Thoams must have died sometime between 1891-1901 but i cant find him any where.
any help with be greatfully received.
thank you doghouse

[Woody32]

neither can I...

Is he the one with Parents Robert and Charlotte?

[lizdb]

Have you a ref for the 1891 and 1901 findings? (I cant see them)

modified
OK got 1891 RG12 1381 65 28

[doghouse]

hi many thanks
yes Thomas is the son of Robert and Charlotte Warman.
Thomas brother George born 1838 Guernsey he died in 1901 at the Billericy workhouse.
sister Elizabeth born 1841 Ireland she died 1858 at the age of 18 Ingrave Essex.
brother Samuel born 1848 Ingrave Essex i haven't started his death search yet.
but just cant seem to find a death date for Thomas.
thanks again for any help.
doghouse

[Woody32]

Still can't find Thomas...but i think you will find Samuel living to the ripe old age of 83

[O1dgobbo]

Hi

Death certificates can be quite dodgy since their accuracy depends on the knowledge of the informant, who may not be a relative and may not know the exact age of the deceased.

Freebmd shows three Thomas Warman births in 1845: in Wells, Somerset, Jan-Mar, in Salford Apr-Jun, and in Chelsea Apr-Jun (Thomas Samuel Warman).

It may be that Thomas, born in Salford, did not die between 1891 and 1901 but just abandoned his family.  I have looked on Freebmd for a Thomas Warman born 1845, who died after Mar 1891.  Freebmd has two:

Jan-Mar 1917 Warman Thomas 72 Wells 5c 714
Oct-Dec 1929 Warman Thomas 84 W Ham 4a 182

I guess that the first of these is the one born in Wells - the second may be the one born in Chelsea but could be your Salford Thomas.

All the best

Gobbo

[doghouse]

thank you woody32 just been on to findmypast.com and found Samuel Warman July-Sep 1931 billericay so can now send for his death certificate.

 thanks also o1dgobbo   i have a birth certificate for Thomas and he was born Salford Manchester
as you say he may have  just left his family or i wonder if he could have died in a workhouse like his brother George.
looks as if its going to be another mystery.
thanks again
doghouse

[O1dgobbo]

Hi Doghouse

If the family was not in a workhouse in 1901 or 1911 then I don't see why Thomas would be in one unless he was poorly.  Workhouses were pretty good at documentation so I think there would be a death certificate if he had died in a workhouse.

One possibility is that his death registration was missed from the GRO index.  You might find him if you go to the local registrar directly.  I cannot see an on-line index of Brentwood deaths but there is a Brentwood Registrar (Tel: 01277 233565).

All the best

Gobbo

[jeffster]

Found 2 ... not quite Brentwood...dunno...

Deaths Sep 1908   (>99%)
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WARMAN  Thomas  68  Bromsgrove  6c 165   

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Deaths Jun 1910   (92%)
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Warman  Thomas  76  B.Stortford  3a 293