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R. Snowdon & Son
« on: Saturday 26 February 05 21:22 GMT (UK) »
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I have been searching for my Ggfather for some time now, he was a Robert 'Dalking' Snowdon, born I believe in Morpeth Workhouse in June 1864.  I can find no trace of him from that date until he marries in 1885.  At that time he gives his status as Tennant farmer, Seaham Colliery.   When searching the Durham farms around Seaham, I came across the following firm,   R. Snowdon & Son    they have one business at 'Seaham Hall Farm, Seaham' and another at 'Seaton Town Farm, The Village, Seaton'

Does anyone have any knowledge of them?

I do not think that they are my direct line as 'my' Robert moved from Seaham to Castle Eden, but if they are a long established company, there may be a connection, and I am clutching at straws here trying to discover just where my poor G. Grandfather was until he was 21.  (His mother is only shown as Ann Snowdon on his birth certificate, with no notation of where she was from).   I have checked the workhouse on the 1871 census and neither Ann nor Robert are there, but then, neither do I find them anywhere else. 
I have also looked for him using the surname Dalking, as I did wonder if he was brought up by a Dalking family, but again, could find no mention of a Robert Dalking of the right age. 

Would my Robert have had to have had some financial standing to be a 'farm tennant' rather than an Ag Lab?

Any help would be appreciated. :P

Lindy
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Re: R. Snowdon & Son
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 26 February 05 22:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Lindy

I've been having a bit of a root around (without any significant progress at present).  Could you just clarify that the first family below is the one that you are looking for?  Not being familiar with the area, I'm a bit lost as to where Scotswood (Robert's given birthplace) is?  Are there no useful details on the marriage certificate ie. father's name, witnesses details?

1891

Fulwell, Castle Eden, Durham

Robert Dalking SNOWDON head mar 26 ag lab b.Scotswood Northumberland
Mary Jane wife 26 b.North Stockton Durham
Betsy Ann dau 3? b.Haswell Colliery
Thomas son 3 b.Haswell Lane

Rg12/4107 folio 49 page 2

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1891

Willfield, Castle Eden, Durham

Dorothy SNOWDON head wid 58 b.Hylton Durham
Isabella dau 30? b.Sherburn
Robert SNOWDON son unm 27 farmers son b.Sherburn
Thomas W 26 son farmers son b.Stranton
Hugh N 23 son farmers son b.Stranton
Septimus 21 son farmers son b.Stranton
Elizabeth 18 dau b.Stranton
Elizabeth J SUNDERLAND servant

Rg12/4107 folio 57 page 20

Best wishes

Casalguidi

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Re: R. Snowdon & Son
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 27 February 05 10:40 GMT (UK) »
Morning to you Casalguidi,

Yes, that is them.

  They went on to have six children in all.

    I know that he shows Scotswood as his place of birth, (Like you, I had never heard of Scotswood, but on investigation it turns out to be on the Tyne, just by where they built the bridge), but my investigations have only thrown up three Robert Snowdons born in the Northumberland area, that could possibly be my Robert, and the other two are safely ensconced in families of their own. 
I did wonder if 'my' Robert grew up in the Scotswood area, but again, cannot find him on any of the census. for the years following his birth.  Seems rather strange to me that he would know enough about that area to put such (to me anyway) an unknown place as his place of birth though?    On the 1901 census he is shown as being born in 'Durham  Stockton', but as this is also shown as his wife's place of birth I do not place much faith in that, especially as no Robert Snowdon shows up in the Durham records around the time that he would have been born.
With regard to his marriage certificate, it shows his father as       'Thomas Snowdon, Police constable, deceased'.  I have had the NE police society chasing records for me, and they have come up with no-one of that name on any of the NE forces that looked likely.   The witnesses to the marriage, which was in a registry office not a church, would this be because he was not baptized I wonder?  are not names that mean anything to me, neither a Snowdon nor a Foster, his wife's maiden name.

Robert spent all of his working life on the land, hence my belief that he did not move to the Durham coalfields area because he would find work in the mines, so why I wonder did he move from Northumberland area to Durham?   added to the fact that he seems to have acquired the name Dalking along the line,  I am thinking that he must have spent his early life with a foster family of some kind.

I have photographs of 'my' Robert, and he looks such a nice man, I don't like to think of him being a sad and lonely little boy..silly I know, but there you are.   Would be lovely to find him growing up with a nice family.

My mother remembers him as always being known as Robert Dalking Snowdon rather than simply Robert, but cannot remember any significant details, she remembers sitting with him and his dog outside the cottage where her grandparents lived, and working in the garden with him, she had no idea that he may have been illegitimate, but then I guess that we are speaking of a time when these things were never spoken of.

I'm rambling here, if you do come up with anything I would be extremely pleased, thanks for looking for me

Lindy
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Re: R. Snowdon & Son
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 27 February 05 20:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi there

I had a look on the South Shields 1891 index and there are 88 people with the SNOWDON surname. Quite a few of them came from Northumberland. There was actually a Robert aged 26, farmer, with his mother Annie and Sarah (relationship is Ci - could be sister-in-law?) - Robert born Harton and mother born Hylton - living at Down Hill Farm. Quite a few of the SNOWDONS
farm workers at the least.

That's probably confused you even more!

Jan
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Re: R. Snowdon & Son
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 27 February 05 21:05 GMT (UK) »
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Hi Jan,

I actually have the birth certificate of that Robert, ever hopefull I sent for it, but sadly his father is given as William, and he is born in December 1865. which does not work out with the age of my Robert when you look at the marriage certificate and the dates of the census.     His mother is shown as Anne, which confuses the issue even more, but after consideration, I thought that this was probably not correct.
But thank you for looking it up for me,  I will let you know if I ever find anything out.

Lindy
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Re: R. Snowdon & Son
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 08 July 12 15:10 BST (UK) »
Just some information on the geography here. Scotswood was part of the old village of Benwell until it was incorporated into Newcastle. The area was well known for coal mining as well as heavy industry and included the Vickers Armstrong military group. The area has seen massive decline over the years due to unemployment from the loss of most industrial plants. Many streets of houses have been demolished due to urban regeneration schemes.
There is also a line in the Blaydon Races song - "Gannin along the Scotswood Road To see the Blaydon Races" and the bridge that crosses the Tyne at this point is the Scotswood Bridge

Binnie, Murdock. Forster, Casey in Durham and Northumberland

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Re: R. Snowdon & Son
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 08 July 12 18:12 BST (UK) »
Google "Robert Dalking Snowdon" and you will find a page and a half of submissions on Robert Dalking Snowdon.