Trying to track down a birth in Scotland - help please!

[Annie65115]

I have a direct ancestor who was born in Lanarkshire around 1843 (just the one, the rest of my tree is sassenach, and her family moved to Old Dundyvan from the Birmingham area, then moved back to the W Midlands where she married).

I want to track down her birth certificate/baptism record.

I've signed up with Scotland's People and searched the whole of Lanarkshire on her name only to get nothing! No possible matches whatsoever!

Where can I go from here?

[andycand]

Hi

Civil Registration didn't commence in Scotland until 1855 and the OPR's on scotlandspeople are the Church of Scotland, do you know what religion your ancestor was?  Could you list  their
name and the names of the parents.

Andy

[Gadget]

Hi Annie

What was her name and those of her parents?

As this was pre-1855,  SP only has  Ch of Scotland  baptism records online and these are not complete. Her parents might have had her baptised in a different faith (Episcopalian or RC , for example)  or they might have waited until they returned to England. Alternatively, the records might be missing.


Gadget

[Annie65115]

Her name was Sarah Taylor; her parents were Richard and Elizabeth Taylor.

Her family is on the 1841 Scottish census with just one child, John, then again on the 1851 census with 3 children - John, Elizabeth and Sarah.

Sarah is back in England in subsequent censuses and her details suggest a YOB around 1844 -5, (not 1843, sorry!), birthplace Old Monklands.

I've no idea whether or not she was baptised in Scotland; if she was, it would have been in an Anglican church of some persuasion.

[andycand]

Hi

She may have been christened in the Scottish Episcopal Church which I believe is the Anglican Church in Scotland.  I tried the Scottish Episcopal Church website but it appears to be down at the moment. I think you need to find whether there was a church in Old Monkland at that time and where any christening records may be held. I suggest that you contact a moderator and ask to transfer the topic to the Lanarkshire board where someone with more precise local knowledge may be able to advise you

Andy

[KirstyG]

Some details of churches in the area are available on the LDS wiki page

https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Old_Monkland_and_Coatbridge,_Lanarkshire,_Scotland

St Mary's Episcopal Church in Hamilton may have been the closest to Old Monkland. It was designed in 1845-47 by John Handerson according to Canmore.

Due to the Episcopal Church not being fully accepted until the 1850s they were few and far between in 1843, but a lot were built over the next decade or so. Some interesting reading on the history of the church is available at http://www.christchurchlanark.com/id12.html

Kirsty

[Doug-Mini]

I am a new member and I joined specifically to respond to this 2009 thread started by Annie65115.  Since Annie appears to still be active here I thought would send a PM to her but the board says I "am not allowed to send personal messages".  In the event that she does not see this post I would appreciate someone explaining to me how the PM system is supposed to work.

Annie, I am also a descendant of Richard and Elizabeth Taylor as outlined in Reply #3 above.  I am the great-great-grandson of John B. Taylor.  I would appreciate the opportunity to discuss the Taylor family with you.

Doug L.


 

[Forfarian]

Hi Doug-Mini, and welcome to RootsChat.

You are allowed to use the Personal Message system once you have made three posts to the forums.

Yes, the Episcopal Church in Scotland, or Scottish Episcopal Church, is in full communion with the Church of England and other Anglican churches worldwide.

Episcopalian records are not easy to find, because any surviving registers are still in the churches, or in diocesan archives or local or university archives. They have not been made available to Scotland's People to digitise and index.

If I were you I would ask https://culturenl.co.uk/museums/visiting-us/north-lanarkshire-heritage-centre/ who are likely to know where any surviving Episcopalian registers for the area are held.

[Albufera32]

Not really relevant to the thread topic, but it illustrates the point the the Scottish Episcopal Church is indeed in communionion with the Anglican Church worldwide is the little known fact that the first American Episcopal Bishop was consecrated in Aberdeen.

Samuel Seabury was unable to be consecrated in the US (since there were no Anglican Bishops in the US) and could not be consecrated into the Anglican Church in England since after the Revolution he could not (as an American citizen) take the Oath of Allegiance to the King. Hence they went to Scotland where the Episcopal Church was not the Established Church, and Seabury was consecrated in  Aberdeen by Robert Kilgour, the Bishop of Aberdeen, Arthur Petrie the Bishop of Moray, Ross and Caithness and John Skinner coadjutor Bishop of Aberdeen on 14 Nov 1784 (Episcopal Bishops, obviously).