Stumped any help

[GRACELANDS]

Hello out there I am quite new to all this and I am getting to know how and where to look now and have had a lot of help from Roots, but I am completely puzzled by  one side of my family .  My grandmother was Cathrine Foden born 1905 her parents were Mary Foden nee Donnelly (her father was Bernard) and Father was Joseph Foden and his father was also Joseph  Cathrine was born in New Summer Street Birmingham

Mary Donnelly was born in 1874 and Joseph Foden was born in 1869/70.

I cannot seem to trace the Fodens anywhere and I have  not tried the Donnelly's as yet.

Whenever I try and trace a Foden It seems they are all up in Lancashire and surrounding areas no where near Birmingham and I cannot find a connection

Any advice

Gracelands

[janan]

Hi Gracelands

I see what you mean after a quick look 81 to 1901 however  I have found Joseph and family in 1871 in New Summer St - do you have this? If not I can post details

Jan

[groom]

Here we go:

1871 RG 10 piece 3122 folio 79 page 21

Joseph Foden 40 gunmaker  Birmingham
Phoebe Foden 30                  Hadley Heath Warwickshire
Walter Foden  4                   Birmingham
Joseph Foden  2

Living at 32 New Summer Street

Jan

[janan]

Hi Jan

I think Walter must be 17 or a very precocious 4 yr old as he is listed as a gun maker  Looks as if Joseph senior was married before.

Jan

[groom]

Here he is in 1881 transcribed as FODON

RG 11 piece 3002 folio 10 p 13

Pheobe Fodon 46 widow laundress
Joseph William Fodon 11

address 16 CT 2 house Ceceil St Birmingham

Jan

[groom]

Hi - yes you're right he was 17, showed up as 4 on the front page and I didn't check!

That explains why he isn't with the family in 1881. Hope Joseph senior didn't die as a result of an accident with the guns he was making 

Jan

[janan]

  Jan

Still can't see him in 1891 or 1901  Wonder if Phoebe remarried and he is under step-dad's name?

When did he marry, Gracelands?

Jan

[groom]

Here's the marriage of his parents:

Joseph Foden
Phoebe Mortiboy

4th quarter 1866 Birmingham 6d 293

Jan

[cath151]

Hi,
Possible for Mary in 1901
RG13/2844  28/3
12, 3 Court, New Summer Street, Brum.

Mary Foden  head mar  28  Press worker  Birmingham
Mary   "         dau           4                                 "

No sign of Joseph tho.

Best wishes
 Cathy