Joseph Maitland

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Hi Murphicle

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Hi Dot

Busy day, only just been able to get to net. Can you check what the "wrong" name was for Joseph in 1901 - I'm interested to follow up, as I'm trying to get a total picture. My bet for Robert's age is 10 years older, though i can't now remember why i came to that conclusion (I think it was by comparing the ages of James (1791) sons and daughters. There was a better "space" for him at the earlier date. I knew about the Londonderry connection - but my ignorance of Durham history is showing. your suggestion about miners' strike 1844 seems convincing; I had always said I thought Londonderry "brought" them over, but did not know this reason. (Though i suspect the later arrivals in the family just followed "Dad"). I had vague info about Cattog, but didn't know about who owned this land - where did you find that?
You got me slightly wrong re reading theology on the toilet: that was my grandfather, James Samuel, who was a high churchman, not Davey Maitland, his (2nd cousin?), who was the Methodist preacher. Whether James preached while on the toilet, i don't know, but they were outside toilets in those days!
Murphicle

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Hi Dot

I have tried all the variant spellings of Maitland on FreeBMD, over 1850 to 1864, Durham reg area. And this is what I got:
Joseph Middleton, born "Mar" 1853, vol 10a p.197. Middleton IS one of the variant spellings I have found on censuses, of people I KNOW to be Maitlands.

Murphicle

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Hi Murphicle
I have checked the Pittington parish records and Joe Maitland was born in 1853 but not registered.
Dot

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Hi Murphicle again
I think the 1901 census showed Joe as Maillane or Maillande - something like that. Anyway he was living at 34 Walker Street, Gateshead at the time which is the same address as I have on the copy of his marriage certificate to Hannah Powell.

I think Joseph has always been confused about his age (as many people were) but by knocking 7 years off when he married a 22 year old woman seems like he wanted to appear even younger. Could be my suspicious mind or a genuine mistake. As there appears to be no other Joe Maitland in the area, this has to be the one and Joe's father's name is given as "Robert" "deceased" and profession "coal miner" on the marriage certificate.

I was quite ignorant of Durham history too but it has improved in the last few weeks!! I am visiting the Tyne and Wear Archives in Newcastle in a couple of weeks and after that I will plan a visit to Durham Records office (though at the moment I don't know when this will be) and check out some info. - the agent for Cattogs was John Andrews and there is correspondence between him and the Londonderrys about the tenants. For instance there is a report of the evidence given by George Hunter, agent at Belmont, Penshaw and Winyard collieries about "using Irish labourers as strike-breakers and putting down the 1844 miners' strike". The same may have happened in the other Londonerry pits of the area, including Pittington.

You didn't say which "Maitland" was your ancestor.
Dot

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Hi Dot

Just a brief reply - I have to go out again.

I envy your being able to pop in to the record offices etc - I'm planning to make a trip of it some time - we live in W. Yorks. I still think "Joe Middleton" is your Joe Maitland! Try his birth cert!

I'll be following up your useful leads - they make sense.

Im descended from Robert's brother (Joe's uncle) William, via his son Samuel (who also was born in Ulster, and who married Hugh Maitland's daughter - his cousin! - but that's another story!

Have you got the stuff about (another) Robert Maitland and his death in the Trimdon disaster? & (another) James Maitland who died in a mine accident in 1866 (from memory)?

The Maitlands seem to have been close buddies of Mahaffeys from Ulster (presumably Comber) - have you come across these?

Murphicle

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Hi Murphicle
Thanks for reply. I forgot to mention last time how I found Cattogs. Have a look at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com under SURNAMES.

Now I can see where you fit into the family tree. I'll check that Joe Middleton out as you suggest.

Popping into the records offices isn't as easy as you think. We live in south west Scotland but I go to the Newcastle area every two months or so.

Yes I had read about the other Robert Maitland who was killed in Trimdon. At first I thought that might be "our" Robert Maitland but of course the age and location were wrong.

Can't say i've heard of the Mahaffeys. My brother, who has a friend in Pittington, said there are quite a few Maitlands living there.
Regards
Dot

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Hi Dot

Yes, through another website I've been in touch with 2 Maitlands, who are cousins (of each other). There are several Maitland families, related to the Comber line, spread around mostly N/E Durham.

Just a few, my grandfather & his sisters, moved down to the west Riding in the early 1900's, which is where my line comes in. My dear late mother always told us we were from Scottish Maitlands - well, we are, but from much further back than she thought! (I guess late 17th century, settles from Galloway to Ulster).

Thanks for the web address.
Murphicle

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Hi Dot

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:oBO2unVqXnoJ:www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/the_north_east/history/echomemories/durham/105/020205.html+%22coal+strike%22%2B1844&hl=en

Murphicle