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Joseph Maitland
« on: Saturday 26 February 05 16:05 GMT (UK) »
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I am trying to find out about Joseph Maitland who was born in 1860 but does not show up on any of the UK censuses. He was a coal miner in Co Durham and may have come from Ireland as many miners did. His father's name was Robert - that's the only info. I have on him. He lived for some time in Gateshead and married for the second time in 1901. He was a Methodist lay preacher in Gateshead, therefore presumably a Protestant.

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Re: Joseph Maitland
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 06 March 05 12:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dot

Do you have the Marriage Certificate from his second marriage ?

Where did the marriage take place ?
What was his profession then ?
Was his father still alive ?
Is that where you got his age from ?

Have you looked for the first marriage ?

It's very likely there will be an entry for Joseph on the 1901 Census but mis-transcribed. If you can give me more details I can take a look.

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Helen K
Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright of the National Archives

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Re: Joseph Maitland
« Reply #2 on: Friday 11 March 05 18:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Helen
Yes I have the MC from his second marriage. He was married in Gateshead and his profession was labourer. His father was Robert Maitland (deceased). His age was given as 40. He does turn up in the 1901 census - one of your fellow investigators found it. It was mistranscribed as Maillande. In that he gives his age as 39! So he lost a year.

The only other Joseph Maitland I can find in the Pittington area is one who was born earlier (sometimes spelt Mateland), who was a miner and he seems to have been widowed in the 1890s which would fit in but there is no BC for either Joe Maitlands which is odd. I am going to have to have a look at the microfiche for Pittington parish. If these two Joes are the same man then each time the wrong age has been given. It's all very strange
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Re: Joseph Maitland
« Reply #3 on: Friday 11 March 05 19:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dot

I'm glad you've now got Joseph in 1901.  Where was he then ?  Are there any clues on that entry that might suggest where he was in 1891 - such as children from the previous marriage ?

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Helen K
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Re: Joseph Maitland
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 12 March 05 14:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Helen
He was still at the same address he was at on the marriage certificate from 1900 - in Gateshead. I don't know why I didn't think of checking the address. Just goes to show you shouldn't rely on how the handwritten records are transcribed.

The entry I have for 1891 which I think may be him even though the age and profession are different (38 and coal miner) is at 62 Hamsterley Colliery, Pittington, nr. Durham. He may have got fed up with being a miner and just did labour work after that. Who knows. His wife was Eleanor (spelt Ellenor on the 1881 census) and they seem to have had an adopted daughter Elizabeth 16 (although she is shown as a daughter on the 1881 census).

The 1881 entry shows Joseph Mateland aged 29. An Ellen Maitland died in Gateshead in 1896 aged 50. The age is right, Ellen could be an abbreviation for Ellenor (Eleanor).
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Re: Joseph Maitland
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 08:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Dot

Your Joseph Maitland - he is undoubtedly from the large family of Ulster Maitlands who crossed to Co. Durham in the 1840's (famine time). The heads of these families were James (born about 1790) and his wife Jane (maiden name as yet unknown). They came from Comber town, Co. Down, but not all at the same time. Some were already married, some with children, some not yet married. I am convinced your Joseph is the one born about 1853, in the Durham area (Pittington), and who married Eleanor Hopper in 1873. His father was a Robert, born Comber Town, but about whose age there is great confusion: I think he was born1811/1813. I can find no record of Eleanor's (Ellen's?) death, but that proves nothing, especially as no-one could decide how to spell Maitland (just as people were very vague about their ages).
Robert, his father, had come over with grandfather James, and died in 1892. In 1861, Joseph was living with his grandfather James; in 1871 he was lodging in Tow Law, with Mr & Mrs Wilson; his father Bob and his brother Jim were there too. By 1881, spelt Mateland, he was with his wife & child, Elizabeth, born at GATESHEAD c.1874,  at Collierley (is this the same as Hamsterley colliery?). The 1891 census says that Elizabeth was their ADOPTED daughter. I haven't found Joseph in 1901, but this may relate to the changes of spelling that occurred. Again, I have found no record of his further marriage, but the same things apply. The Patriarch James, by the way, died in 1864 in Pittington; his wife Jane died in 1867.
What you say about him being a Methodist preacher is interesting: he had a cousin, David ("Davey Maitland") who was noted as a (Methodist?) preacher at Seaham Harbour. I THINK the Maitlands were Presbyterians when they came across: my grandfather became a strong Anglo-Catholic. He used to read religious tracts in the toilet!

I am a Maitland on my mother's side.

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Re: Joseph Maitland
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 08:51 BST (UK) »
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I have found an ELLEN MAITLAND who died 4th quarter 1896, at GATESHEAD.  Volume 10a page 533. Death certificate might be helpful to you!

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Re: Joseph Maitland
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 10:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Murphicle
It's great to find someone who know about "our" bit of the Maitland family! Joseph does indeed show up on the 1901 census with a really weird spelling - Maillande or something like that. Anyway it was the correct one although he's suddenly lost 7 years in age! He married my husband's grandmother who was 22 in 1900. So Eleanor (Ellenor, Ellen) his first wife and first child, Elizabeth (whether adopted or not) were not relevant for the purpose of my research. I'm not sure where Collierley is - my geography of Durham is poor (although I lived on Tyneside most of my life!!).

I think Robert was born in 1822/23 although his age varies on the censuses. I think it likely that they were Presbyterians to begin with an probably adopted Methodism later on because it was more prevalent in the pit areas.

Do you know anything of the Londonderry mines? Did the Maitlands come because of the potato famine or were they brought over by the Marquis of Londonderry to break the 1844 miners' strike? Or a combination of the two reasons?

I have a little bit of info. from Co Down. namely that James Maitland was a tenant farmer in 1824 in Cattogs, Comber on land owned by the Londonderrys.

I had to laugh at your remarks about Davey Maitland. My husband, Richard, has a brother Davey who also reads in the toilets - only comincs though!
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Re: Joseph Maitland
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 10:20 BST (UK) »
Hi Murphicle