FLINT of Clayton

[trish1120]

Hi Justin,
I have just spent a 12hr day at work so dont feel like typing up al census entries. I will do that after you get the marriage cert if you dont mind.

Re- John born 1830, Was he born Lancashire or Derbyshire?

Thomas in 1841 I think;

1841 Census
Manchester, Lancashire
HO107/576/9/Manchester

Thomas FLINT, 30, fustian cutter
Mary, 30
JOHN, 11
Thomas, 6
Edward, 1
All born in County

Trish

[JustinL]

Trish,

Now that's a tiring shift!

John was born in Lancashire!! He could well be the one you found in the 1841 census.

I shall twist my colleague's arm now.

Justin

[trish1120]

Last one for tonight

Marriage;
Thomas FLINT
Mary MIDDLETON, 07 June 1829, Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire

Christening;
John FLINT
21 February 1830, Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire
Parents THOMAS and MARY

Sibling;
Alfred 06 July 1832
This batch only covers christenings 1829-1832

Later Batch;
Thomas Middleton FLINT, 28 December 1834

Later again;
Edward Alfred FLINT, 08 December 1839

All christened same place same parents. All  children match with 1841 census details

Death;
Alfred Flint
Christened 06 July 1836, Newton by Manchester
Died 06 September 1836
Parents Thomas FLINT and Mary MIDDLETON

So that is marriage 1 for Thomas sorted. I had already found marriage but not christenings til just now.
I still cant find them in 1851 Census, but by 1861 census he is married to another woman.

cheers,
trish

[kay flint]

Hello My maiden name was flint and my great grandfather, grandfather and father all lived at 8 Garner Street Clayton, as did I, until it was pulled down for urban renewal in the 70s.  I was the last person to be born there and the line has now finished because I am one of three daughters.  My father died in 1973 and as my mother was not popular among the family, we never saw or heard from any of my father's side of the family again.  It was the Flints of Garner street, that Flint Street was named after, as far as I am aware and yes there were a lot of relatives in and around Clayton, including Droylsden, where John and Ruth lived before 8 Garner Street sometime between 1891 and 1901.  I don't know if John and Ruth actually inherited from John's father, or he was the first person to own it.  My great grandmother's maiden name was Ruth Yates and she was born around 1867, great grandfather being about 3 years younger than her.  I am assuming my grandfather was their son John, but will have that confirmed as soon as I recieve my father's marriage certificate.  The only other boy I could see from the census was Leonard and two sisters Edith and Pauline.  From what I was told as a child, the Flints used to own a great amount of Clayton.

Many of my family members were Fustian cutter and came from Cheshire to Manchester with there trade.

Here are a few more flint's to thrown a spanner in the works ( i have a bag of spanners here with every ones name on) 

Buried in Phillips park C-of-E section, Mary A Flint. Grave number i 1978 on 28th June 1924. Age 70 & married ( hubby must be still alive) Address 474 Mill street Bradford.

1913 Daniel Flint Householder 474 Mill street Bradford.

1927 Albert Flint Greengrocer 782 Aston new road Clayton
Miss Alice Flint 62 Clayton street Clayton.
James Flint Greengrocer, 2 FLINT street Clayton.
James Flint 98 Whiteley street Clayton.
John Flint Beer retailer (off sales) 8 Garner street Clayton.
Thomas Buller Flint Motor engineer 8 Flint street Clayton.
Thomas H Flint Householder 4 Flint street.

Migky

[JustinL]

Hello Kay,

Great to hear from you. I am still trying to coerce my colleague into obtaining some BMD certs so that he can progress with his lineage.

The only Ruth marrying a John Flint in the right period that I could find on FreeBMD was a Ruth ROBLEY. Are you absolutely certain about her maiden surname?

Interestingly, the James Hunston Flint from whom my colleague descends, married a Mary Alice Yates. Was she perhaps related to Ruth?

My colleague's grandparents (Nelson & Winifred) lived at 782 Ashton New Road, opposite the church. She had a corner shop just behind in Ecceshall Street.

Justin

[kay flint]

Hello Justin

Yes I am absolutely positive about ruth, I have the 1891 and 1901 census and marriage cert.  There is a Prestwich connection here, so it would not be a surprise if Alice's parents were not from there either.  I have also since found the John Flint that was married to Ruth died in WWI in Flanders 1917, it also looks like his son John may have died there too.  Ruth died in 1915.  My Grandfather is Leonard Flint, who then named my father John.  I am sure of the information because it shows the address I was born at in the 1901.  I have also found that John's father who was born in 1830 was married to Betsy, who was born in 1847, they lived at Flint buildings, so I think they started building their business's prior to 1830, this is from the 1831 census, but as the marriage certs did not show the maiden names then, I do not know what Betsy's name had been.  I think your Flint is actually a relation to mine, from the proximity, but you never know.  When Clayton still existed as it was, Flint street was only round the corner from Garner St.  The reason I think my family were a little higher in the pecking order is because 8 Garner st was quite a large house and shop, with four bedrooms, attics and cellars, but I am only going off what I remember from early childhood.   Hope this helps you.  My Grandfather married Minnie Fitzgerald, she died before I was born.   My family were very well known in the area though, I do remember that.  There was a problem with my grandparent's marriage due to Minnie being catholic I think, I know this, because it filtered down to my father's burial, which was a farce.

[JustinL]

Hello Kay,

In which year did John Flint and Ruth Yates marry?

James Hunston Flint stated out as a fustian cutter. However, by 1911 he was running the greengrocer's shop at 2 Flint Street. He must have been a cousin of your John senior.

My data shows that your John was born in about 1870. That was surely too old to have served in WWI, unless he was already a regular serviceman. What makes you think that he died in action? Moreover, if he died in 1917, who was the John Flint beer retailer of 8 Garner Street in 1927? I am currently assuming that it is their son John (Leonard's brother) who is comemorated on the war memorial in Clayton. Did Leonard serve?

I was trying to find Garner Street on a modern map. Does it still exist?

Justin

[kay flint]

Hi Justin

Ok, in answer to your questions, there are lots of johns, which is good and bad for this kind of thing.  The John that is commemorated is probably Leonard's brother, my great uncle.  I would be interested to know where the memorial can be found, as I have never seen it.  I thought he was a bit old too, he would have been in his 40s and yes he was born around 1870, as his wife was born in 1867, but she did die in 1915 and he might have volunteered, I don't know.  Leonard did serve, he was awarded the victory medal and another I can't remember the name of.  I didn't save the source for their marriage, so am going to have to find it again, but they seemed to be quite recently married in 1891, as the census say that their eldest son, John is just over 7 mths old at the time and they are living in Droylsden at that time, which makes sense, so I think they got married around 1889/90, they are then seen in 8 garner st by 1901

Garner st no longer exists after the urban renew, it is now the car park of the health centre sadly, but they did name a close after the Flints, so there is a Flint Close, the whole area is a dive now, from what I have seen a few years ago, I no longer live in the north, so have not been there for a long time.

If you go on wikipedia photos under clayton, there is one photo of the corner of 8 Garner st and Flint st I think.  If you have probs finding it, tell me and I will see if I can see it again.  I would not be surprised if it did not appear in a publication to do with old clayton, if one exists.

[kay flint]

hello Justin

I just thought I would bring you up to date with the Flint search.  I wrote an email to the taxi firm my father used to work from periodically, while mum looked after the shop at Garner St and had an answer from a lady, who used to live at 9 Garner St, whose father remembers a lot about the Flints.  Apparently all the Flints and their businesses were connected in the Clayton, Droylsden areas, sometimes they appear as prestwich and ashton under lyne too, because the borders kept changing, but they were all in Clayton.  For me this clears questions up, as some people were shown to have died in prestwich, but they in fact died in Clayton.  The question about the war memorial also has an answer, you see my family had mixed catholic/protestent marriage and so the protestant John, can be seen on the St Cross Church memorial and the catholic John on the memorial in phillips park.  I will be having a chat with this person who remembers so much about my family in a while and if I can find out anything for you, just give me your quesitons and I will see if he can answer them, as it seems its all the same family.