1851 Berkshire census lookup for Goodwin - servant

[Orpheus]

Hello again Jack

I forgot to mention in my previous post that John's occupation of carpenter was given in the baptisms of James and William.  I know this family look promising but I do have some reservations about them - especially after finding Rebecca GOODWIN in Little Marlow in 1841.  If she is the right person, why wasn't her husband with her if he didn't die until 1844?  I know that lots of men were away from home in the 1841 census as this was taken in June at the time of the hay harvest (this being the reason subsequent census were taken in late March/early April), but it would be unusual for a married woman to be working in a live-in position.  A widow might do this, leaving the child in the care of a relative.

I think we can be fairly certain that Rebecca's maiden name was PLUMRIDGE but we still don't know whether her husband was named John or George - or even John George.  As well as the High Wycombe family there were also GOODWINs in the parish of Datchet which is adjacent to Eton where Charles George was baptised.  This family used the christian name George.  Datchet is also close to the borders of Berkshire, Surrey and Middlesex and a marriage could have taken place in any of these counties - as well as London.

I've said my piece so on to Fingest and Stokenchurch.  Fingest, although close to the border with Oxfordshire, has always been in Bucks and still is.  Stokenchurch was in Oxfordshire until 1896 when it was transferred to Bucks.  It was a chapelry of Aston Rowant, Oxfordshire until 1844 although it did have its own registers from 1707.  Cadmore End is a relatively new parish.  It was created in 1852 from parts of Fingest, Stokenchurch and Lewknor (the Uphill part also known as Ackhampstead).

Finally, Dee-jay asked if anyone had tried the Wycombe Union to see if Charles George had been apprenticed by them.  Sadly very few records have survived from this Union.  There is a register of baptisms commencing in 1853 (much too late), and minute books 1836-39, 1854-56, 1881-87 and 1903-30.  Although apprenticeships are sometimes recorded in the Minute Books those that survive from this Union are either too early or too late to be of use.

Orpheus

[Cannie lad]

Jill
Thanks for that.  It completes the picture - almost.  She probably lived with Charles and Emma and family in Newcastle.
Incidentally, Charles and Emma had 12 children, 7 of whom died.  One was called George and another Ann.  Family connections, of course, but no Rebecca unless she was one who did not survive.

Jack

[Cannie lad]

Sorry for the duplication
Jack

[jillruss]

Jack,

Let us know if you learn anything more from the certificates, won't you?

I think I told you - at the very start of this topic - that I have Godwin/Goodwins from Eton in my tree, but much earlier than your John George. Mine "start" with Elizabeth Godwin baptised in Eton in 1701 and her father Richard was a gardener at the College.

 It would be interesting to know if there's any connection. I've totally lost it at the moment - have you got John George's birth/baptism or is that one you're still looking for?

Jill

[Cannie lad]

Orpheus
Thanks for the West Wycombe Goodwins.  I have a copy of the Little Marlow 1841 census and saw the entry but this is a "Rebbaca" Goodwin.  Of course perhaps the enumerator couldn't spell and wrote it down as he heard it but it certainly adds to the mystery. 
I've been unable to find a George Goodwin in 1841 Datchet although I can find a John Goodwin with a family, although no Rebecca.  There's even a George Goodwin aged 45 followed by a Rebecca aged 50 in the 1841 Wainfleet All Saints, Lincolnshire entry.  Obviously not the ones we're looking for.
I believe John George Goodwin was likely to have been known as "George".  My reasoning is that the baptism certificate for his son Charles shows him as George, father.  However, the wedding certificate for Charles lists him as "John George".  At that time George was dead but obviously whoever was asked the father's name formally gave his full name.

Jack

[Cannie lad]

Hi Jill
I will certainly keep everyone informed as soon as I have the certificates.

Bucks. FHS did a search for me as I mentioned, and under baptisms they show John, son of John and Ann Goodwin 23 Feb 1806 West Wycombe, All Saints.  No other details given.  Orpheus has confirmed the date as you can see on this thread.

For what it's worth I discovered another Goodwin family who have their roots in Buckinghamshire.  The 1841, 1851 & 1861 census for Wellow, Nottinghamshire have several separate Goodwin families, all from High Wycombe and all chair makers so possibly they are an enlarged family.  It would be interesting to investigate if any of the male members of the families are related to John Goodwin as they mirror some of the names that Orpheus has listed - e.g. William.

Jack

[jillruss]

The IGI also has a John Godwin baptised in Colnbrook, Bucks 10 March 1797 son of Edward & Mary. Colnbrook is only a couple of miles from Eton.

If that 1844 Eton death cert is correct it will hopefully give his age at death and help you home in on his birth year - and of course will also mean that he must be on the 1841 census somewhere!

Jill

[Orpheus]

Jack

The GOODWINs I listed are from High Wycombe - not West Wycombe - and it seems certain that they are the persons who appear in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census at Wellow, Nottinghamshire.  It looks like the whole family moved, perhaps including Mum and Dad too.  So it looks like we can rule out Rebecca PLUMRIDGE marrying John of High Wycombe, born 1806, as he is with his wife Elizabeth in Wellow.

Orpheus

[Cannie lad]

Orpheus
Sorry, High Wycombe of course, my error.  So now we start looking again for John George Goodwin.  I'll order the certificates and, hopefully, find out more details. 
I'll let eveyone know as soon as I have them.

Jack