1851 Berkshire census lookup for Goodwin - servant

[Little Nell]

Just another thought - might he have been a servant at Eton College?

Nell

[Cannie lad]

Nell
That's something I've already done.  I wrote to Eton College and had a nice reply from the College Archivist.  It appears they would possibly have records of some names of servants who would have looked after the King's Scholars but no dates etc.  Any other servants in the boarding houses or the masters' private residences would not have been recorded.  Pity, but there you are.
Thanks

Jack

[jillruss]

Presumably, they would also have appeared on the Bucks census?

If he's living on independent means with another family at the age of 11, and yet his father appears to still be alive when he marries in 1852, there must be a reason that the child has been 'left behind'. Did you ever find any siblings for Charles?

As father is a servant and you can't find him on the 1851 census, could he and his wife have been travelling with his employer - possibly overseas?

Jack, I can't remember from your other thread on this subject if you'd had any luck finding George/John George and Rebecca on any later censuses - or indeed if you'd looked for a death for either or both of them?

And another thought - would it be worth researching a possible family link between George Goodwin and the Plumridge family who he is staying with in 1841? It's so hard to tell from the 1841 census because of the lack of relationships, but it's just possible that Ann Plumridge (50) could be a sister of (John) George's?   

Jill

[Cannie lad]

Hi Jill
We meet again.  As I'm having no success I'm inclined to believe that my man John George Goodwin and his wife Rebecca did indeed, live abroad and they came back to Eton for their son's baptism in 1830 and then John George at least, returned for his son's wedding in 1852.  I mentioned this belief on the Bucks. page as you remember.
To sum up:  I've found the father and mother once - on the baptism cert. and then the father again on the marriage cert.  But no mention at all of either father or mother in any census other than a John and Rebecca Goodwin and family on the 1841 census at Sutton, this Sutton being in Gloucestershire.  They are there again in 1861 but no mention in 1851.  But the description for John is Ag. Lab. not servant.
I've found no siblings for Charles and no record of the deaths of the parents.  Your suggestion of a link to the Plumridge family is something else to check and I'll start doing that.  I seem to remember the name Plumridge in connection with a chair making family that existed in the Downley area of Bucks at that time and of course, Charles George became a chair maker.  Thanks.
This is certainly keeping me off the streets.

Jack

[Orpheus]

Hello Jack

I feel I have to come in on this one as there is some confusion about whether John or John George GOODWIN was alive in 1852 when his son was married.  The marriage entry at Farnham Royal, Bucks, reads thus:

13 Jan 1852  Charles George GOODWIN, of full age, bachelor, chairmaker of Salt Hill, son of John George GOODWIN, servant
Emma (X) RIDGLEY, of full age, spinster of Salt Hill, dau of John RIDGLEY, sawyer
Witnessed by: George LESTER and Elizabeth JARVIS

Note that, although John George is given as the groom's father, he is NOT a witness.  Also not every clerk/incumbent noted in the entry that the father of one or both of the parties was deceased.

I am in agreement with Jill about a possible connection between Charles George GOODWIN and the PLUMRIDGE family.  There was a GOODWIN family (John GOODWIN and Ann) baptising children at High Wycombe between 1802 and 1815, including a son John in 1806.

Finally, servant and agricultural labourer could be the same thing as one could be a servant in husbandry.

Orpheus

[jillruss]

There is a Rebecca Plumridge baptised in W Wycombe 15 Nov 1795 d/o William & Hannah and an Ann baptised to the same couple 18 Jan 1789.

Ann would be the right age to be the Ann Plumridge from the 1841 census. Could her sister Rebecca be the one who married (John) George Goodwin. This would rely on Ann remaining unmarried. Can anyone find her on the 1851 census to see if - by any strange chance - she was !!

I can't find a marriage for a Rebecca Plumridge!!! Scream!!! 

Jill

[Cannie lad]

Hello Orpheus
Regarding your point querying John George Goodwin being alive in 1852 at his son's wedding.  You might well be correct as, just to perhaps prove the point, I checked on John Ridgley, Emma's father.  He was there with his wife Hannah and family in the 1841 census, but going to the 1851 census he is missing and Hannah is a widow and head of the family.  So this might perhaps confirm that the clerk/incumbent did not always state the father was deceased.
Now the interesting part - In the 1851 census there is the following entry for Farnham Royal (i.e. where Charles and Emma were married):
 
Salt Hill
Henry Williamson      Head      47     Gardener             born Farnham Royal
Rebecca Williamson               52                                  born Stokenchurch, Oxon.
William Williamson    Son        12                                 born Farnham Royal
Ann Plumridge          Lodger    60 (?) Lace maker        born Finges (?)

So perhaps this is the Ann Plumridge Jill mentions?  Another interesting fact is that the address Salt Hill is the very same as the "Residence at the time of marriage" shown on the wedding certificate for Charles and Emma in Jan. 1852 which perhaps might suggest they stayed there to gain residency before the marriage.

I'd better stop before I take over the whole of this topic.

Many thanks
Jack

[jillruss]

Jack, that's interesting.

Does the 1851 census say whether the Ann Plumridge age 60 is married or unmarried - or widowed?

Jill

[jillruss]

Now don't get too excited, as there are lots of people listed on the page, but -

Marriages in Uxbridge Reg District Sep Quarter 1845  ref: 3 358

amongst the 8 (a couple are duplicated) names listed are

Rebecca Goodwin
Henry Williamson.

There's about 6 miles between Uxbridge and Farnham Royal.

I suppose - for people with a sub with Ancestry - there may be a way of trying to match up the other 6 names on the 1851 census, to eliminate them (as marrying each other!). the other 6 names are:

Charles Baynes
William Fletcher
Marti(?n) Watts

Mary Ann Hazel(l)
Fanny Parrot(t)
Sarah Prickett.

If this is the right couple, John George must have died pre 1845.

Jill