Nathaniel GOLD b.1868 d.1940 Sydney, NSW, Australia *COMPLETED*

[goldnplomp]

Hello Veryjelly and Allan,

This has been the most active *COMPLETED* topic I have ever seen...   Like Allan, I’m not sure why Nathaniel would have left for Australia... except for the simple fact that his son Andrew lived there...  I’m sure climate also played a factor... we may never know.

Getting back to Nathalie and Euphemia, I received the 1946 G.R.O. marriage record for Effie M. Gold and Frederick G. Leveridge... Unfortunately, it was not the Effie we are looking for as the father on the marriage record is listed as William Emmanuel Gold (G.P.O. Inspector, Retired)... I guess I better get back to combing through records

Like Allan, I would be very interested in knowing if you have had contact with Andrew Gold b.1924 as I have some unsolved family mysteries (pre 1800’s)  which I am trying to solve... perhaps Andrew holds the key?

Thank you for your time and kind considerations.

Arthur R. Gold

[Veryjelly]

Glad to here that Andrew Gold is still alive in England. Difficult to trace living relatives. Do you have a better photo of Nathaniel than the one I have, so if you have contact, could you try for a photo for me?
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I think I can help with a photo that was passed to me by a direct relative of Nathaniel who still lives in Scotland.  I will look it out.  Andrew is now 86.  He has often talked about Nathaniel as having the first car in Carluke but I doubt he would have seen this for himself as he was only 3 or so when Nathaniel emigrated. 

Andrew was from what seems to have been the disinherited side of the family (having seen Andrew Gold senior's will c. 1898).  I know not why but I have wondered about his father's divorce which would have been scandalous at the time

Thanks for the info - all good stuff and has filled in some gaps. Will root out the photo and attach. VJ 

[Veryjelly]

sure why Nathaniel would have left for Australia... very interested in knowing if you have had contact with Andrew Gold b.1924 as I have some unsolved family mysteries (pre 1800’s)  which I am trying to solve... perhaps Andrew holds the key?

Hi Arthur
I have been researching the David Just Gold family history over the last 6-7 years on and off - mostly off - but I have traced some lines back to the early 1800s.  I do have some info on the Nathaniel side and will have a look in my records re Effie et al.  You and Allan have galvanised me to start again as I'd got rather stuck with Andrew & Isabella Morton. Will have a look this weekend to see what I have that may be new to you.
VJ

[goldnplomp]

Hello VJ,

Here’s some information which you may already have...

Andrew GOLD b.1812 d.1844 married Isabella MORTON b.~1813 d.1840.  Andrew and Isabella had two  (2) children... Andrew GOLD b.~1837 d.1898 and Isabella Morton GOLD b.1839 d.1901. Isabella Morton GOLD married Richard Blackwood CAMPBELL in 1858.  Isabella and Richard had six (6) children... John CAMBELL b.1859, Andrew CAMBELL b.1861, Richard CAMPBELL b.1864 d.1944, Isabella Morton CAMBELL b.1866, Robert Muir CAMPBELL b.1874 d.1951 & George Ronie Oman CAMPBELL b.1884 d.1927.  Ironically, Robert Muir CAMPBELL also moved to Australia.

Here’s some information you may not have...

Andrew GOLD b.1812 d.1844 was the son of Andrew GOLD b.1790 d.1857 and Rebecca Kilpatrick b.~1790 d.1867.  Andrew and Rebecca had four children... Andrew GOLD b.1812 d.1844, George GOLD b.1814 d.1858, Elizabeth GOLD b.1816 d.1886 & Rebecca GOLD b.1818 d.1892.  I am a descendant of George GOLD b.1814 d.1858.

Andrew GOLD b.1790 d.1857 was the son of Andrew GOLD (Coal Miner) and Elizabeth WEIR b.~1749 d.1823.  Andrew and Elizabeth married in 1789 in Douglas, Lanarkshire. This is my dead end...

I have documented the numerous off shoots of the family so just let me know how far you want to take your research and I’ll provide you with a ‘data dump’.

I hope you find this information useful.

Talk to you soon.

Arthur R. Gold

[Veryjelly]

Here's Nathaniel - having trouble uploading.
VJ

[PALMARC]

Hi VJ,
       You appear to be having the same problem I had in downloading photo's. Could you try to send it to me on (*) If you see this Arthur, drop me a line and I'll try to send both of you the photo I have of Nathaniel.
   Westfield photo hopefully next week.
    Regard Allan

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[goldnplomp]

Hello Everyone,

I did some digging 'down under' and uncovered the following obituary:

The Sydney Morning Herald: Tuesday 25 June 1946 (Pg.14)
GOLD - June 22, 1946. Janet beloved widow of Nat Gold, formerly of Carluke Scotland, loved mother of Effie (Mrs. McDougall), Natalie, Andrew, Heather (daughter-in-law) Archie (son-in-law, deceased). Dear grand-mother of Maureen and Maurice, and great-grandmother of Helen. Aged 75 years. Privately interred June 24, 1946

So it would seem that Effie married a unnamed McDougall and Natalie married an Archie (last name unknown) who was deceased by 1946... or perhaps Effie was married to an Archie McDougall and Natalie was unmarried 

The search continues... but the gap is closing

Arthur

[PALMARC]

Hi Arthur,
               Just some thoughts on the obituary of Janet Gold. If Natalie had married, I would have thought her married name would have been shown similar to Effie's, so possibly safe to assume, Natalie never married. If Janet was grandmother of Maureen and Maurice, surely they were Effie's children? Since there is no mention of Janet ( Andrew and Heather's daughter), was she born after 1946? Also, if Janet was Great grandmother to Helen, Helen must be the daughter of either Maureen or Maurice. Would be interesting to find out where Archie McDougall died. Could Effie and Natalie have gone to Australia after their father died, to be near their mother?
   Be in touch again.
Allan