Nathaniel GOLD b.1868 d.1940 Sydney, NSW, Australia *COMPLETED*

[PALMARC]

Hi there,
             Finally glad to find out where this gentleman went to. I have been working on the history of Carluke Bowling Club in Scotland for its 150th anniversary in 2014 and he was a past President in 1905.
     My main interest in trying to trace him was to find a living relative who may well have a better photograph of him than I have at present.
     Do you know of any living relatives that I can contact.
    I don't think I can add any further info on what you have already, apart from the fact that he was a tile manufacturer originally, but later became a County Councillor in Lanark for many years, first standing in 1904.
    The puzzling thing for me was that I have viewed a death index that shows a Janet Gold (aged 76) and an Andrew Gold (aged 57) died in Carluke in 1961. Could Janet have come back to Scotland? Maybe the Andrew was a relationas the age would have been different. Perhaps this Janet is a relation also.
   Hope this adds a little more to your info. If I can add more I will be in touch. Hope you can assist with a living relative
                  Allan

[goldnplomp]

Hello Allan,

I’m glad you stumbled across my posting... Unfortunately, I cannot connect you with any ‘living’ direct descendants of Nathaniel... generally when it comes to distant ‘living’ relatives; I respect their privacy by not digging too deep...  The only possible direct ‘living’ descendants for Nathaniel would be through Euphemia, Nathalie and/or Andrew Gold’s daughter Janet Gold in Australia; however, without marriage/death records, I’m at a loss for all three...  With that being said, I do know that David Just Gold (Nathaniel’s brother) remained in Lanarkshire, Scotland for which there may be some ‘living’ relatives in the Lanarkshire area who may be able to assist you...   I’ll dig a little deeper to see if I can provide you with any leads.

On a personal note, I would be very interested in any pictures and/or information pertaining to the Gold Family which you uncover during your research as I would very much like to add this information to my research.  Please feel free to contact me directly through my RootsChat user ID.

Thank you for your time and kind consideration.

Arthur R. Gold

[PALMARC]

Hi Arthur, Thanks for the very prompt reply. I will try the brothers line to see if it provides any results. I have also been trying the two daughters of Nathaniel, but so far they appear to have disappeared completely. I wondered if they had gone to stay with family when the parents went to Australia, so I started to trace family and found an interesting fact. Normally in those days, the first son to a marriage was named after the mans father, but in Nathaniel's case, it was not to be as his father was Andrew. His mother, Catherine Miller Oman had a brother Nathaniel Daniel Isaac Oman, and that is how Nathaniel had all those names. I am about to purchase a new scanner, and as soon as I do, I will send you the only photo I have of Nathaniel. If you wish, I could possibly send you a photo of his house, "Westfield" in Clyde St, Carluke as it's only a quarter of a mile from my house. Will be in touch as soon as.
   Allan

[goldnplomp]

Hello Allan,
I hope your research is fruitful as this branch of the family has been a challenge for me to research...  In fact, it was only by chance that I discovered that some of the family had moved to Australia...

Regarding your observation about typical Scottish naming conventions, Nathaniel was not the first born son of Andrew GOLD b.~1837 d.1898 and Catherine Miller OMAN b.1833 d.1891... he was in fact the second of six children.  The children were as follows:
• Andrew GOLD b.1867 d.1899 (Andrew died at 32yrs in Gibraltar)
• Nathaniel Daniel Isaac Oman GOLD b.1868 d.1940 (Nathaniel died at 71yrs in Australia)
       o m. Janet Black CLELLAND b.1871 d.1946
              Children b.1867 d.1899: Euphemia GOLD, Andrew GOLD, Natalie GOLD
• Isabella Miller Morton GOLD b.1870 d.1878 (Isabella died at 7yrs in Carluke)
• George James GOLD b.1871 d.1875 (George died at 3yrs in Carluke)
• John Miller Morton GOLD b.1873 d.1895 (John died at 22yrs in Carluke)
• David Just GOLD b.1875 d.1958 (David died at 83yrs in Shotts)
        o m. Eliza McMILLAN
              Children:  John Miller Morton GOLD (note: there may have been additional children)
        o m. Grace Marshall PETTIGREW b.1887 d.1937
              Children: John Pettigrew GOLD, David Just GOLD (note: there may have been additional children)

You are correct about the source of Nathaniel’s name... Dr. Nathaniel Daniel Isaac OMAN (Catherine Miller OMAN’s brother) was a General Practitioner in the Carluke area... I do not have a death record for Dr. OMAN but I do know that he practiced in Gibraltar for a period of time.  This is perhaps why Andrew GOLD b.1867 d.1899 was in Gibraltar at the time of his death 

Thank you for your kind offer to send me a photo of “Westfield”... if you do get a picture during your travels, I’d love a copy for my records.

It’s getting late and the sun has now set in BC... so ‘til next time...

Thank you again for your time and kind consideration.

Arthur R. Gold

[PALMARC]

Hi Arthur,
  Just a little bit more for the puzzles. Firstly, David Just Gold's second marriage produced another two children. Jessie Marshall was born in 1921 and John Pettigrew had a twin brother Andrew born in 1924. Unfortunately, both twins died in 1927 but I have no details. I found a poem in January 1927 dedicated to her sons by Grace.
   Now, on to the missing daughters. I found in the library this morning, the obituary for James Black, Nathaniel's wife's father. He died in Carluke on 21/5/1920 aged 72. He apparently picked up a chill on a return visit to Mr and Mrs Gold in Kent, England. So Nathaniel and his wife must have been there around 1920. Perhaps that is where Effie and/or Natalie were for some period. However, in James' obituary the following week, there is a footnote to Canadian and Australian newspapers to please copy. That tends to suggest that there were family in both these countries in 1920. Could either of the girls have gone there, although Natalie would only have been 13 by then.  I have enclosed the 1914 Jubilee photo taken at Carluke Bowling Green in 1914. Nathaniel is the man in the back row, the 8th from the right, wearing what appears to be a straw hat. Hope you find it interesting. Will try fo the photo of Westfield soon.
     Allan Mathers 

[PALMARC]

Hello Allan,
I hope your research is fruitful as this branch of the family has been a challenge for me to research...  In fact, it was only by chance that I discovered that some of the family had moved to Australia...

Regarding your observation about typical Scottish naming conventions, Nathaniel was not the first born son of Andrew GOLD b.~1837 d.1898 and Catherine Miller OMAN b.1833 d.1891... he was in fact the second of six children.  The children were as follows:
• Andrew GOLD b.1867 d.1899 (Andrew died at 32yrs in Gibraltar)
• Nathaniel Daniel Isaac Oman GOLD b.1868 d.1940 (Nathaniel died at 71yrs in Australia)
       o m. Janet Black CLELLAND b.1871 d.1946
              Children b.1867 d.1899: Euphemia GOLD, Andrew GOLD, Natalie GOLD
• Isabella Miller Morton GOLD b.1870 d.1878 (Isabella died at 7yrs in Carluke)
• George James GOLD b.1871 d.1875 (George died at 3yrs in Carluke)
• John Miller Morton GOLD b.1873 d.1895 (John died at 22yrs in Carluke)
• David Just GOLD b.1875 d.1958 (David died at 83yrs in Shotts)
        o m. Eliza McMILLAN
              Children:  John Miller Morton GOLD (note: there may have been additional children)
        o m. Grace Marshall PETTIGREW b.1887 d.1937
              Children: John Pettigrew GOLD, David Just GOLD (note: there may have been additional children)

You are correct about the source of Nathaniel’s name... Dr. Nathaniel Daniel Isaac OMAN (Catherine Miller OMAN’s brother) was a General Practitioner in the Carluke area... I do not have a death record for Dr. OMAN but I do know that he practiced in Gibraltar for a period of time.  This is perhaps why Andrew GOLD b.1867 d.1899 was in Gibraltar at the time of his death 

Thank you for your kind offer to send me a photo of “Westfield”... if you do get a picture during your travels, I’d love a copy for my records.

It’s getting late and the sun has now set in BC... so ‘til next time...

Thank you again for your time and kind consideration.

Arthur R. Gold

[goldnplomp]

Hello Allan,
I apologize for not responding sooner... I was out of town on business and have been playing catch-up ever since...

Thank you for the additional information on the children of David Just Gold and Grace Marshall Pettigrew.  I did not have record of Jessie Marshall Gold or John’s twin Andrew Gold. I am relatively confident that John Pettigrew Gold b.1924 did not die as a child as I located a 1990 death record for him which has him dying at the age of 66 in Glasgow.

Now on to the daughters of Nathaniel...  Based on the information you provided I did some additional digging around in southern England and uncovered a 1946 marriage record for an Effie M. Gold and a Frederick G. Leveridge in Hendon, Middlesex, England.   While this would make Effie 51yrs at the time of marriage, it is the only plausible lead I have had so far; hence, I have ordered a copy of the marriage record from GRO... With it being just after WWII, it’s possible that any previous spouse died during the war... Ironically while I was searching for Effie, I also found a 1946 and a 1949 marriage record for a Natalie Gold... the first in Warral, Cheshire and the other in Stepney, Middlesex, England.  I am waiting for the marriage record for Effie prior to ordering the others just in case it turns out to be a dead end.  I’ll let you know what the results are.

Thank you again for your time and kind consideration... I can’t tell you how much I appreciate the second set of eyes... 

Arthur

[Veryjelly]

David Just Gold's second marriage produced another two children. Jessie Marshall was born in 1921 and John Pettigrew had a twin brother Andrew born in 1924. Unfortunately, both twins died in 1927 but I have no details. I found a poem in January 1927 dedicated to her sons by Grace...Will try fo the photo of Westfield soon.
     Allan Mathers 

Hi, I've just seen your thread about Nathaniel Gold.  I am also researching the family and can confirm that Andrew Gold twin of John (known as Jackie) Gold is still living in England.  However Jessie his sister died in the 1950s in a car accident in South Africa where she was living and David Gold died perhaps 10 years ago - he was still living in Carluke.  The poem you refer to was written to celebrate the twins - their mother was a bit of a local poet and wrote often in the local papers and for the temperance movement I believe and I have transcripts of some of her work. 

I would be interested to hear more about what happened to Nathaniel - and why he went to Australia. I would also be interested in the photo of Westfield as Andrew's first job was emptying the gas meter at his uncle's house!
Hope to hear from you.

[PALMARC]

Hi there,
              Been busy for the last few weeks on another part of my research, so didn't notice your posting. Glad to here that Andrew Gold is still alive in England. Difficult to trace living relatives. Do you have contact with him? I am desperate for a better photo of Nathaniel than the one I have, so if you have contact, could you try for a photo for me?
  On to Nathaniel. I don't know how much you have picked up from the threads before mine, but here's what I have:-
Nathaniel's Grandfather Andrew married Isabella Morton, dates unknown. They had a son, Andrew, d.o.b. unknown, but died 11/11/1898.
   He married Catherine Miller Oman in Edinburgh in June 1866.
   They had 6 children, viz., Andrew, b:1867, d:1899 in Gibralter. Nathaniel Daniel Isaac Oman, b: 22/7/1868, Linlithgow, d: 12/5/1940 in Sydney, Australia. Isabella Miller Morton, b: 1870, d: 1878 in Carluke. George James, b;1871, d: 1875 in Carluke, John Miller Morton, b: 1873, d: 1895 in Carluke. David Just, b:26/2/1875, Carluke, d:1958 in Shotts.
     Nathaniel married Janet Black 12/7/1894 and they had 3 children. Andrew, b: 5/7/1898 in Carluke, d: 11/8/1953 in Sydney, Australia. Euphemia MacPherson, b: 1896 and Natalie Oman, b: 13/12/1907.
    Brother David Just married Eliza McMillan in Glasgow in 1897 and thay had 1 son, John Miller Morton, b: 1898.
   David later married Grace Marshall Pettigrew in 1918 in Glasgow and they had the 4 children you already know about.
   Previuos threads by Goldenplomb will confirm Nathaniel's son Andrew married Heather Jean Pym Pennant in 1927 in Australia.
    I assume that his parents went to Australia to be close to their son and for the wedding as they travelled in time for it.
   Hope this helps. Will be in touch when I organise the photo of the house. Keep watching the threads as there may be more news on Nathaniel's 2 daughters.
 Allan