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Re: Nathaniel GOLD b.1868 d.1940 Sydney, NSW, Australia
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 23:51 BST (UK) »
Hello Everyone,

Thanks to the information you have all provided, I think I’ve pieced together the puzzle for Janet GOLD (nee BLACK) wife of Nathaniel GOLD.

Janet Black CLELLAND was born on Apr 11, 1871 in Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire.  Janet was the daughter of Adam BLACK and Janet CLELLAND.  It turns out that Janet CLELLAND (Janet’s mother) died on Apr 21, 1871 (10 days after her daughter’s birth)

Five months later, on Sep 21, 1871, James BLACK (Adam’s brother) married a Euphemia MacPherson and adopted Janet Black CLELLAND as their child and dropped the last name CLELLAND.

Adam BLACK (Janet Black CLELLAND’s birth father) died on Jan 29, 1886 in Carluke, Lanarkshire at the age of 41.  Janet would have been 15 yrs.

Thank you everyone for providing me with a second set of eyes.  Sometimes that’s all one needs to break through the walls  ;D

Also, I stumbled across a wonderful site for the Gore Hill Cemetery which allows one to search by an individual’s name:

http://mapping.willoughby.nsw.gov.au/exponare/gore-hill-cemetery.html

Here’s what I found for Andrew Gold:

Name Gold. Andrew
Denomination Congregational
Date of death 10/08/1953, (08/08/1953)
Burial date 11/08/1953
Age at death 57
Section D
Plot 42
Information 418 Pacific Highway Crows Nest. Also J.Finch

Thank you again everyone for your time and kind consideration.

Cheers!

Arthur
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Re: Nathaniel GOLD b.1868 d.1940 Sydney, NSW, Australia
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 09 July 09 02:26 BST (UK) »
Sydney Morning Herald, 15 May 1940 
Death Notice
GOLD - May 12, 1940, Nathaniel, dearly beloved husband of Janet  and loved father of Dodo and Natalie, Andrew, also loved father-in-law of Heather.  Privately interred May 14, 1940

Sydney Morning Herald, August 10, 1953
Death Notice
GOLD Andrew (Jerry) - August 8 at Repatriation General Hospital, Concord, beloved husband of Heather, and loved Father of Janet.

GOLD Andrew - August 8, loved brother-in-law of Dorothy and the late Rex Finch, uncle of Dick and Janet, Jock, David and Elizabeth.

GOLD Andrew - August 8, loved brother-in-law of Harry and Millie Angel, uncle of Bob and Mary, Roger and June

There is a funeral notice in the SMH August 11 but you already have that information.

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Re: Nathaniel GOLD b.1868 d.1940 Sydney, NSW, Australia
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 09 July 09 04:22 BST (UK) »
Well done,  that would  confirm  the daughter Natalie perhaps Dodo is a pet name for Dorothy.

I  cannot locate  any  marriage in NSW to a Rex Finch nor a death of Rex Finch.  I  wonder if  both the daughters stayed in Scotland and married there.

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Re: Nathaniel GOLD b.1868 d.1940 Sydney, NSW, Australia
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 09 July 09 05:57 BST (UK) »
Judith… I’m speechless... You have far exceeded my expectations!

Here’s how the dots fit together…

Heather TENNENT (wife of Andrew GOLD) was the daughter of Louis Charles TENNANT (Optician) and Jean DUFFUS.  Louis and Jean had the following children:

Amelia TENNANT b.1892 d.1956 married Henry R (Harry) ANGEL in 1923
Dorothy R. TENNANT b.1894 married Richard P. (Rex) FINCH in 1922
Ian Charles D. TENNANT b.1898 d.1968 married Doris M. KEEBLEWHITE in 1923
Heather J. P. TENNANT b.1905 married Andrew (Jerry) GOLD in 1927

I now know that Andrew GOLD and Heather TENNANT had a daughter Janet ;D however, it seems as though Euphemia (Doto?) and Nathalie remain elusive  ???

The hunt continues but the gap is definitely closing.

The sun has set here in BC so I’ll bid you farewell ‘til tomorrow.

Cheers!

Arthur
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Re: Nathaniel GOLD b.1868 d.1940 Sydney, NSW, Australia *COMPLETED*
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 21 July 09 18:23 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone for your assistance...  I was able to tie up a number of loose ends ;D

Cheers!

Art
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Re: Nathaniel GOLD b.1868 d.1940 Sydney, NSW, Australia *COMPLETED*
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 15 August 10 20:01 BST (UK) »
I'm coming very late to this conversation to add something about Euphemia Gold...

She did not go to Australia. My mother (now 82) remembers her as an old schoolfriend of her mother, Janet Young. My mother knew her as "Auntie Fame", so Fame, rather than Effie to her friends. Rather shockingly for the 1930s, she wore trousers, smoked cigarettes, and drove a motor car. My mother thinks she was married with 2 sons, one of whom taught my mother to ride a bike. She lived in Braidwood, near Carluke. Nothing to verify this except my mother's memories, and I cannot find any marriage record, but I hope this helps.

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Re: Nathaniel GOLD b.1868 d.1940 Sydney, NSW, Australia *COMPLETED*
« Reply #24 on: Monday 16 August 10 22:41 BST (UK) »
Hello PickledOnion,

I’m not sure how you stumbled across my posting but I’m so glad you did as I have been looking for Euphemia in England, Canada and USA with little to no leads  ???

I to have been unable to locate any marriage and/or death records for Euphemia in Scotland which has made me think that she moved out of the country… I did however; find a potential 1950 marriage record for Natalie Gold; however, there is no image currently available and it puts Natalie in her early 40’s which seems kind of old.

I noticed through ScotlandsPeople that there were a few Euphemia Gold’s in Scotland during the early to mid 1900’s so I am hesitant to definitively conclude that our two Euphemia’s are one and the same.… I’m wondering if you have any additional bits of information which may be used to narrow this gap...

Nathaniel Gold (Euphemia’s Father who moved to Australia to join his son) and Andrew Gold (Euphemia’s Grandfather) owned a Tile Works Company in Carluke under the company name of Gold & Co…  The family lived in Carluke in a house on Clyde Street called ‘Westfield’… I’m wondering if this additional information rings any bells.

Thank you for your time and kind consideration.

Arthur
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Re: Nathaniel GOLD b.1868 d.1940 Sydney, NSW, Australia *COMPLETED*
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 17 August 10 21:05 BST (UK) »
My grandmother lived at 168 Mill Road Carluke according to the 1901 census, and the Golds lived in Westfield, Clyde street, about a half mile away. Jane was about 4 years older than "Auntie Fame". Jane's father, Andrew, was a gardener and nurseryman, so it's not inconceivable that he was the gardener at Westfield. Euphemia visited my grandmother when she was living in Cambusnethan, which is where my mother remembers seeing her. My mother can't remember much more, except that Auntie Fame was incredibly glamorous to her young eyes. I guess Euphemia would have been in her mid-30s then, and my mother was about 7 or 8.

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Re: Nathaniel GOLD b.1868 d.1940 Sydney, NSW, Australia *COMPLETED*
« Reply #26 on: Monday 23 August 10 21:43 BST (UK) »
Hello PickledOnion,

Thank you for the additional information...  Euphemia’s family historically came from Cambusnethan so Euphemia would have had a multitude of cousins and I’m guessing family friends in the area.  Based on the additional information you’ve provided, it would now seem very plausible that our Euphemia’s are one and the same...

So... what happened to Euphemia?  By the 1930’s, while a few branches of the Gold family stayed in Scotland, her parents along with a number of other branches of the family, had left Scotland for greener pastures in either England, Australia, Canada or the USA.  Natalie, her sister, I’m guessing remained in Scotland; however, this also remains a mystery...

Could it be that Euphemia and perhaps her sister later in life also move to greener pastures?  Perhaps England ???  More research required.

If anything else comes to mind please let me know.

Thank you again for your time and kind consideration.

Arthur
Gold, Weir, Halliday, Douglas, Blackley, Kilpatrick, French, Dempster, Prentice, Penman, Dempsey, McHale, Lindsay, Brown, Morton, Muir, Allan, Russell