Help and advice needed on finding a date of birth.

[heywood]

Gertrude only appears in 1891-- no birth (not the one born 1860ish), no record apart from 1891.


here is Conwy in 1871 RG10; Piece: 5667; Folio: 131; Page: 41

married but no wife.

[alpinecottage]

Sorry, Wifeywebb, I could have been clearer.  The other ?brother, Richard also married in London. 

I'm not accusing Conwy of the deed, Heywood.  Far be it from me (also convent educated!) to cast aspersions, there were other Rowley offspring.  The newspaper report was focussing on Mrs R and her role in arranging the wedding in double quick time (one wonders, why the hurry), so the whole family may not have been abroad, rather the Rowley "household" was.

This family were at the upper echelons of society, their names tended not to follow the same rules as the rest of us, eg Conwy is referred to as Conwy Rowley and Rowley Conwy in the various newspaper reports (of which there are loads).  They attended society weddings etc, etc.

Perhaps looking at 1841,51 and 61 censuses will turn up all the Rowley children.

[Meriel]

A bit of info on the Rowley family here (under 'The Bodrhyddan Estate').

http://www.dyserth.com/html/land___landowners.html


Meriel

PS check out the link to the 'Morgan Sisters' at the top on same page - got all excited for a moment but not the same... 

[heywood]

I'm not accusing Conwy of the deed, Heywood.  Far be it from me (also convent educated!) to cast aspersions, there were other Rowley offspring.  The newspaper report was focussing on Mrs R and her role in arranging the wedding in double quick time (one wonders, why the hurry), so the whole family may not have been abroad, rather the Rowley "household" was.

Well I was certainly thinking that a Rowley had something to do with the deed now this connection to the area had turned up.
However, Gertrude in 1891 is quite specific about her place of birth - Hulme, not Manchester or Lancashire but Hulme so it does beg the question why? I suppose, there could have been extended family there to whom the expectant mother was sent.
Also of course, Gertrude may be nothing to do with the quest for Catherine.

[wifeywebb]

Gertrude may not be anything to do with Catherine, but she did appear as Grandaughter to William and Alice Morgan in 1891!!

[heywood]

Oh I agree - (I think she is Catherine but that just me and I wish we could prove/disprove my theory) 

Off again now for another search 

[catanaccio]

Thanks for all of your contributions.  Sorry I've not replied sooner but we have had a bereavement in the family.

We have done some more digging but have had no success to date ... although my gut feeling is with the "Catherine is actually Gertrude" argument but, as Heywood says, we just need to prove it.

If anyone is in the area I would really welcome someone at Hawarden record office checking the school records for Pantasaph Convent School (or any others in the area) if they are held there.

Thanks to all again.

Ian.