Help and advice needed on finding a date of birth.

[heywood]

Hello kanskar,

1871 has 4 Catherine Roberts- all with two parents. 

heywood

[alpinecottage]

About the BMD's - I just looked for births in Lancashire and just for babies called Catherine (without another first name) as there has been no suggestion Catanaccio's Catherine had another name.

Ah, yes, WifeyWebb ... the Gertrude Rowley mystery.

Someone may have suggested this, but I wonder if Gertrude could be a mistranscription of Catherine between the original household census sheet to the enumerator's sheet we can see today.   

[heywood]

Elizabeth disappears after 1861 - she is Elizabeth Roberts then and then returns in 1891 and 1901 as Elizabeth Morgan. I wonder where she is. I have tried searching for her born Dyserth -  . There are several Elizabeth Roberts b Wales etc 

[MonicaL]

Hi All 

This is an interesting one!

Possible entry for Elizabeth as Thomas in 1881:

John Williams, 35, married, butler (dom), b. Mold, Flint, Wales
Elizabeth Thomas, 40, unmarried, cook (dom), b. Dyserth Flint Wales
Elizabeth Davies, 21, unmarried, housemaid, b. Llanfair, Denbigh, Wales

Address: Brymair, Llanfair-Dyffryn-Clwyd, Denbigh, Wales

This is from FamilySearch, refs:  RG11 Piece / Folio 5523 / 59 Pg No. 6

Monica

  Doh, just realised that names is Roberts. Thomas was the first name of Alice's first husband....!

[Gadget]

Hi Monica

See reply #5:

The suspected grandmother was called Alice Jones (b. 1814 Tremerchion, Flintshire).  She was first married to Thomas Roberts and secondly married to William Morgan.

As a Roberts, I'd be very worried if I suddenly had become Gadget Thomas 



Gadget

[heywood]

... or even 'Thingummyjig Thomas'   

At the moment I am going for Catherine Morgan aka Gertrude Rowley but I could be persuaded otherwise I suppose 

[Gadget]

Elizabeth disappears after 1861 - she is Elizabeth Roberts then and then returns in 1891 and 1901 as Elizabeth Morgan. I wonder where she is. I have tried searching for her born Dyserth -  . There are several Elizabeth Roberts b Wales etc 

Hi Heywood

Have you searched in the Liverpool/Manchester corridor and parts of Cheshire. I think I saw an Elizabeth Roberts in Lancs on the 1871 as a servant - age and broad place of birth seemed to fit. Then we had a thunderstorm and I had to go offline and the thread had moved on.

Many females went from the North Wales counties to do 'service' in Lancs, etc. and their PofB on the census was not as exact as it was when they were living in their 'own' area.

I'll go see if I can find it again.


Gadget Roberts 

[heywood]

we had no thunderstorm and I think I did but there was no child - there are quite a few as you may imagine with Wales as a birthplace.

I'll look too and then that's two of us 

[Gadget]

Here it is:

RG10/4014 F83 P 315 31

In Salford. She's down as being born Mold which is a  way from Dyserth but 

No child but Catherine/Gerude might be elsewhere with another family who took such children in.


Gadget