Traveller ancestor ..still looking

[jaytoot]

Hi all,

a search on the internet says George Zucco was born on 11th January 1886.

Freebmd has George Z_cco 1886 - March quarter Prestwich. 8d 418

Now DNA you might want to buy this one!!!

Jim

[DNA]

Thank you jay and katherine
I have drawn up a chart now that shows the Rintouls and their links to Constance Pell and includes all the info you have gleaned.It certainly illuminates Connie's life.
The disappearing husband Frederick Alfred Pell and the (unwed?) William/Edward Purkis and Minna /Wlhemina Taverner seem to have successfully avoided being together on a census or marriage cert.
Great work
DNA

[katherinem]

found 1841 henry Millen

Family recorded as Mellen in census transcription

Edwin age 62 bookies ?
Eliza age 46
Henry 15
Edward 10
Ann 8

This might be ann and her brother

jim

Just to add there is another sister Louisa, age 7 on the next page; she appears to have married George Edward Haynes in 1854.  Also I think Edwin's occupation could possibly be brokers.

Back to Edward Perkins and Elizabeth Ann (nee Lone), there is this interesting 1901 entry:

34 Tonbridge St, St Pancras
Edward G Rintoul, Head, M, 47, Newsagent, Shopkeeper, Fulham
Elizabeth     "      , Wife, M, 46, St Giles
Arthur Kentish, Nephew, 4, Lambeth

Why the name change?

John Lone and Ann Millen married 1854, St Lukes reg dist.

Kath

[katherinem]

Hi DNA,

Who registered Constance's birth and did they sign their name?  Was it this cert that had traveller and then grocer underneath or was that the marriage cert?

Sorry just more questions

Kath

[jaytoot]

Hi Kath,
you are right it's good to double check and DNA while your checking can you make sure that the father's name is Purkis not Perkins (just a long shot).

Also in the 1891 census Constance seems to have a middle name she is recorded as Contance E...........does this show on the birth certificate.

Also, i don't know if you have already seen it Kath but freebmd has a death registerd in 1887 for a Steffano Zicco age 40 in St Giles. This could have been a typo as the letters I and U are next to one anther on the Keyboard.
This death is after the birth of George and before the marriage of Marion desylla Zucco to Pell.

Jim

[jaytoot]

Sorry,

just to add to my last message.

From the beginning of this thread i have been looking for pUrkis.
The wedding shows Constance as pUrkis. Her Father recorded as Edward!

As we have never seen her real last name in the census we have no other clues except for the birth certificate.
1. Free BMD records a Constance Perkis born 1882 Pancras.
2.Constance Eline Purkis born 1885 Islington.

I am sure you must have the first one but this means she was most likely a PERKIS not a purkis as shown on her wedding cert and at the beginning of the thread.

Help please DNA.

Jim

[katherinem]

Jim- Constance Eline birth reg was in 1895, not 1885 and there are two entries for her, the other has Webb-Purkis.  Had seen the Steffano death thanks.

There is a medal card for a Frederick A Pell, he was a private in the Army Service Corps and then a Warrant Officer in the Army Pay Corps, noticed that your Frederick was a cashier on the marriage cert, which would fit in well with the Pay Corps.  Cannot see any other info on this chap apart from the medal card states he deserted in 1920!

Kath

[jaytoot]

Thanks Kath got carried away with Purkis and Perkis. However, we need to be sure if Constance is a Purkis or a Perkis.

I think DNA is using the spelling from the marriage cert not the one from the Birth cert.

If the birth certificate is Perkis then i would assume that many years later when Constance got married they used the wrong spelling.

Have you managed to find Edward James Perkins before 1891, there is a birth for Edward James Perkins in 1853 kensington but i can't find him in the census.

jim

[jaytoot]

Hi Kath,

I took a look at the medal card for Frederick A Pell and the fact that he is in the Army pay corp is a likely link to our man.

It seems he went into the Army Service corp first then the Army pay corp. Started as Private ended as Warrant officer.
He served overseas in France in 1915 and got the Star medal then he was given the British and Victory medals. What a shame that he did this service and then ends up in 1920 as a deserter. I wonder what the punishment was for this.

A great pity that his enlistment papers are not there, they sometimes can tell you a lot.

Jim