Frederick Noah BAILEY

[king william]

I am in New Zealand and now have the death certificate of Frederick Noah Bailey who died in NZ in August 1903 aged 48, I guess he was born about 1855.
HIs birthplace was Trowbridge and he was a son of Isaac Bailey, a "restaurant keeper" - no mother is given but I found him on the IGI in which his wife is given as Harriett Knowles.
I also found what appears to be the same Isaac on the 1881 census and he was a "tea and coffee house keeper" he had two children at home at that stage who were Byfield and Ellen, unusual name that Byfield, he was a basket maker, not even sure it was a "he".
I also found an earlier Isaac Bailey who married a Sarah Coles (or Coler).
Can anyone see any earlier census which gives more information about this family - I guess there were more children and was Isaac always in the tea/coffee business.
I want to fill them out as people and not just names and dates so am interested in any other info,
King William

[krisesjoint]

Hi King William

Here is the 1871 census

RG10/1920 Folio 89 Page 32
Back Street
Trowbridge

BAILEY Isaac Head 53 Mar b Trowbridge Tailor
BAILEY Harriett Wife 46 Mar b Trowbridge Woollen Weaver
BAILEY Sarah Dau 21 unm b Trowbridge  Woollen Weaver
BAILEY Noah Son 16 b Trowbridge Cloth Maker
BAILEY Isaac Son 13 b Trowbridge  Cloth Maker
BAILEY Byfield son 7 b Trowbridge
BAILEY Ellen Dau 4 b Trowbridge
BAILEY Eli Son 2 Months b Trowbridge
TUCKER Mary Servant 15 b Melksham

all of the children are actually ditto Cloth Maker even the 2 month old

Cheers Kris 

[CaroleW]

Per IGI but this is a submitted entry - no mention of christian name Frederick

Noah Bailey   Birth:  02 SEP 1854   Trowbridge, Wiltshire
Father:  Isaac Bailey   Mother:  Harriett Knowles 

[krisesjoint]

Here they are in 1861

RG9/1296 Folio 41 Page 32
Back Street
Trowbridge

BAILEY Isaac Head 43 Mar b Trowbridge Tailor
BAILEY Harriett Wife 37 Mar b Trowbridge Work at factory
BAILEY Sarah Dau 11 unm b Trowbridge  Scholar
BAILEY Noah Son 7 b Trowbridge Scholar
BAILEY Isaac Son 3 b Trowbridge  Scholar
BAILEY Ellen Dau 2 months b Trowbridge
GRAY Edward Lodger 20 b Trowbridge Butcher
GRAY James Lodger 20 b Trowbridge Butcher

Cheers Kris  

[CaroleW]

Births December qtr 1854
 
Noah Bailey Melksham  5a 102

Melksham was the registration district for Trowbridge but I am puzzled as to why no mention of Frederick - just Noah?

When did he arrive in NZ

[krisesjoint]

1851 census

HO107/1840 Folio 469 Page 48
Hill St
Trowbridge

BAILEY Isaac Head 32 Mar b Trowbridge Taylor
BAILEY Harriett Wife 26 Mar b Gloucester NK Cloth Worker
BAILEY Sarah Dau 1  b Trowbridge
BASCOMB Samuel Lodger 17 b Bradford Cloth Worker

and here is Isaac presumably with family in 1841.

HO107/1182/4 Folio 32 Page 25
Middle Stoodley
Trowbridge

BAILEY Joseph 40 Y Weaver
BAILEY Ann 35 Y
BAILEY Joseph 15 Y
BAILEY Isaac 15 Y
BAILEY Simean 10 Y
HILL James 20 Y Weaver
Next page address now listed as Trimbrell Cottages
BAILEY John 10 Y
BAILEY Sarah 5 Y
BAILEY James 2 Y
BAILEY Elizabeth 2 Weeks Y
BAILEY Leah 10 Y Weaver

Cheers Kris 
 

[king william]

Wow - many thanks for all the replies. I have received the death certificate of Frederick Noah Bailey who died in Southland, New Zealand on 18th August 1903, he was aged 48 at time of death, he was an upholster.
He was born in Trowbridge, his father was Isaac, a restaurant keeper, no mother given.
He emigrated to New Zealand on the Western Monarch, listed as just Noah Bailey, arriving in January 1878. He married Margaret Blee from Cornwall who also arrived on the same ship.
They had many children and amongst the name of their children were Isaac, Harriett Helen, Eli, Frank (Harriett Knowles who married Isaac had a brother named Frank)
He appeared to have emigrated alone as Noah Bailey, and I wonder if he added the Frederick after he arrived here for some reason.
With information given in dates, places and names, and with all your collected wisdom, does it appear very likely that Noah Bailey, son of Isaac of Trowbridge is the same Frederick Noah Bailey I have here on this death certificate - I really look forward to a reply on this.
King William

[krisesjoint]

BAILEY Joseph = BAILEY Ann 8 Oct 1822 Trowbridge

I am not seeing baptisms to Joseph and Ann or Isaac and Harriet in the Trowbridge Parish Church apart from one adult baptism.
   
Sarah Ann BAILEY b 17 July 1849 and baptised 2 Jun 1886 Trowbridge St James parents Isaac and Harriett.

Given the very biblical names, you may find the families were non conformists.

Cheers Kris 

[king william]

Yes you are right about the non-conformist angle as I saw on some history site about Harriett Knowles who married Isaac Bailey in 1845, she was, according to the information given, baptised in the Tabernacle Calvinistic Methodist Church in Wotton-under-Edge, Glos in 1825.
King William.