Police Inspector in Dublin

[shanew147]

I dont think any Co. Offaly parish records are available on Line at the moment - but believe the IFHF are planning to add some this year. The alternative is searching the microfilms in the National Library. Do you know which parish he was born in ?

woops!!... that should have read Co. Laois.. but the comment still applies, the IFHF are working on these at the moment.

John Phelan, DMP 8648, born 1856, Raheen, Queen's County, died 1911...

The townland of Raheen is split between a few civil parishes :  Kyle, Kilteale, Clonenagh / Clonagheen & Rathdowney. Corresponding RC parishes are : Kyle & Knock (P.2479), Portlaoise/Maryborough (P.4201), Mountrath (P. 4201), Rathdowney (P.5013/5014/2014). NLI microfilm numbers in brackets. You can view the NLI index to films at : http://www.nli.ie/en/parish-register.aspx 


Shane

[onamission]

Please can you help me? I'm looking for a John Pearce , my ggg grandad, a policeman/constable in Dublin, His 2 daughters  born approx 1845 + - 5yrs. Daughters came to nz 1866. So i would imagine he would have been a policeman between 1826 and 1876. I know very little else. Please help me , this iss my brick wall.

[KayJ]

Hi
I know this is an old post, but i'm trying to finf info on my Grandfather who i think may have been in the Black & Tans. I understand from the posts that you have Jim Herlihy's books and was wondering if there was a Sidney Stacey mentioned.
Hoping you can help, many thanks

Katherine

[DudleyWinchurch]

Hi

The index book for the DMP is:

Jim Herlihy, The Dublin Metropolitan Police: A Complete Alphabetical List of Officers and Men 1836-1925, Four Courts Press, Dublin, 2001.

He also wrote (in adition to his books on the RIC):

Jim Herlihy, The Dublin Metropolitan Police: A Short History and Genealogical Guide, Four Courts Press, 2001.

Unlike the RIC List, the DMP List gives the birth year and native Parish and County of the member, in addition to the DMP Registered Number. Herlihy also indicates where a member was Ex-Constabulary - i.e. formerly a Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) member, or was later a member of the Garda (the police force in Southern Ireland after Partition - this force is still in operation).

Page 199 of the DMP LIst gives five O'Malley entries -
O'Malley, Austin, DMP 10023, born 1874, Aughavale, Co. Mayo
O'Malley, George, DMP 2263, born 1812, Frankford, Co. Tyrone; Ex-Constabulary
O'Malley, George, DMP 2332, born 1814, Westport, Co. Mayo, Ex-Constabulary
O'Malley, Martin, DMP 5659, born 1836, St. Michan's, Dublin City; Ex-Constabulary
O'Malley, Patrick, DMP 12226, born 1902, Kilmeena, Co. Mayo; Garda, died 1948.

The DMP Registered Number allows the actual member's record to be accessed at the National Archives (Dublin or Kew) or the Garda Museum (the LDS has this data too).

Further information on Ex-Constabulary members can be got from the RIC records - bearing in mind that the Herlihy RIC List only gives RIC Registered Number - so you might need to look up RIC membership entries for, say, George O'Malley before finding the correct one.

If children of the O'Malley member (son of a West of Ireland-born member) were born in the mid 1860s then there is only one member who might be the father from the West of Ireland  - George O'Malley (born 1814, Mayo). Martin O'Malley (born 1836, Dublin) could be the son. However, bear in mind that in the earlier years of the force the records may not have been complete.

I hope this helps

best regards

Gerry McMahon
Dublin

Hi Gerry,

Sorry to be asking for more when you have already been so helpful but, following up your suggestions I have now discovered that Martin O'Malley does seem to have some family connection, though possibly is not the one I am looking for.  His father appears to be William O'Malley and DMP and/or RIC and there is also a John, who is the son of a William too and also a "policeman".  There is a Thomas O'Malley too who, in 1911, is aged 60 and is an RIC pensioner and also seems to have connections with the same family.  I'd be very grateful if you could find any RIC or DMP information for John, who we now think is the brother of Martin, their father William or this Thomas O'Malley.

Sheila

[guavaj]

Reference Deevla's .......John Phelan, DMP 8648, born 1856, Raheen, Queen's County, died 1911
Just finished reading through the posts on the above.

This may be a long, long shot but I am posting here in case there may be something of significance.
I am researching Martha Phelan (1853-1941) who was the daughter of Michael Phelan and Catherine Kinnerney, Roskelton, Queens County. The story so far is that Catherine was the second wife of Michael. His first wife Eliza Murphy died young and his third wife was Catherine Quigley.
Local information has it that Catherine Kinnerney died in childbirth (at birth of Martha) Martha's other sibling was John Phelan (1851- ?) Both their births are registered at Raheen Roman Catholic Church register. Martha is my GGM
I have failed to find any record (other than birth) of John in the County Laois records and so far I have not got any lead on his movements. This is why I examined the postings for Deevla closely.   A check through the IFHF database, the 1901 and 1911 Census of Ireland and the Church of Latter day Saints index search shows up the following.
1. Children of John Phelan and Bridget on both census returns at Gaelic Street Dublin
2. Marriage of John Phelan and Bridget Chamley 27 November 1882.....Ballybrack
3. The mother is spelled Chambley on marriage record, Chamblay on Matthews birth record and Chamley for birth record of Bridget Agnes.

Have you obtained any more information on your John?  Does any of the above fit into your research ?
Regards. Patrick Phelan

[deevla]

Hi Patrick

That is indeed my John Phelan at points 1,2 and 3 but his mothers name was Mary (surname not recorded on his marriage cert) His fathers name was Michael Phelan. I Found a good birth match for him on ifhf 1854, mothers name Mary Costigan but not 100% sure about that as i haven't followed it up. I also found a possible match for a brother Thomas Phelan born 1846.

Regards Deevla

[guavaj]

Deevla!  Great that you had success with your research. The mothers surname Costigan eliminates this John Phelan for me.

Best wishes for continued success in your research.

Patrick Phelan

[DudleyWinchurch]

Just wanted to ask if any of you have looked up full records for DMPs in the National Archives at Dublin or Kew, could you describe what sort of additional information was available?

In particular, if someone was discharged on pension, would their record have their date of death, or any other life events, recorded?

Presumably there must be a pensions list somewhere so that they knew when to stop paying.  Would this be available at the National Archives?

[corisande]

I may be wrong, but as far as I know the only copy of the DMP records for men's service is in the Guarda Museum in Dublin Castle. Anyway that is where I read the copy I saw

The records are not full, but are in a ledger with sketchy details of a man's joining and career