Police Inspector in Dublin

[Brandy lane]

In reply to Brendan Joseph you will find a comprehensive account of the murder of James O Donoghue in Peter Hart's 'The IRA and its enemies'' 1998, Clarendan Press.

[mallow]

Hello were there any Allsopps mentioned in the book Than you

[Brandy lane]

There are no Allsopps mentioned in the Hart book but you may be referring to the Herlihy books.

[mallow]

Thank you for that look up, what is the Herilhy books  I have never heard of them?

[mcmahongg]

Hi

Re Jom Herlihy books -

Re the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC):

Jim Herlihy, "The Royal Irish Constabulary, A Complete Alphabetical List of Officers Men 1816-1922", Four Courts Press, Dublin, 1999.

There is only one Allsop listed -
Richard Allsop, Service Number 76367

This Service Number would indicate that Richard Allsop joined the force between 29 Oct 1920 and 22 Dec 1920 - note that the RIC police force terminated in 1922. After this, the police force in the Republic of Ireland was the Garda Siochana and in Northern Ireland the RUC. Many former RIC men joined one of the new police forces.

Jim Herlihy, "The Dublin Metropolitan Police: A Complete Alphabetical List of Offiers and Men", Four Courts Press, Dublin, 2001.

This is a similar-style book addressing the Dublin Metropolitan Police. There are no Allsops listed.

Jim Herlihy, who was himself a Garda officer, has also written several other very useful books on the history of the Irish police forces.

I hope this helps

best regards

Gerry McMahon

[mallow]

Thank you very much for all that information  I will see if I can get some more information on Richard Allsopp.

[DudleyWinchurch]

Hi all,

Just came across this thread and wondered if anyone could tell me a little bit more about the books mentioned.

I'm looking for two DMPs that were father and son.  Both called O'Malley.  The father came from the West of Ireland.  The son had a daughter born in Dublin in the mid-1860s but I've yet to find a birth record.  At present I have no other details for either of them.

Would Herlihy's book be likely to have information on the relationship between these men (otherwise I guess there will be too many O'Malleys to narrow it down)?

Does anyone know of any other resources that might help me to follow this up?

[mcmahongg]

Hi

The index book for the DMP is:

Jim Herlihy, The Dublin Metropolitan Police: A Complete Alphabetical List of Officers and Men 1836-1925, Four Courts Press, Dublin, 2001.

He also wrote (in adition to his books on the RIC):

Jim Herlihy, The Dublin Metropolitan Police: A Short History and Genealogical Guide, Four Courts Press, 2001.

Unlike the RIC List, the DMP List gives the birth year and native Parish and County of the member, in addition to the DMP Registered Number. Herlihy also indicates where a member was Ex-Constabulary - i.e. formerly a Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) member, or was later a member of the Garda (the police force in Southern Ireland after Partition - this force is still in operation).

Page 199 of the DMP LIst gives five O'Malley entries -
O'Malley, Austin, DMP 10023, born 1874, Aughavale, Co. Mayo
O'Malley, George, DMP 2263, born 1812, Frankford, Co. Tyrone; Ex-Constabulary
O'Malley, George, DMP 2332, born 1814, Westport, Co. Mayo, Ex-Constabulary
O'Malley, Martin, DMP 5659, born 1836, St. Michan's, Dublin City; Ex-Constabulary
O'Malley, Patrick, DMP 12226, born 1902, Kilmeena, Co. Mayo; Garda, died 1948.

The DMP Registered Number allows the actual member's record to be accessed at the National Archives (Dublin or Kew) or the Garda Museum (the LDS has this data too).

Further information on Ex-Constabulary members can be got from the RIC records - bearing in mind that the Herlihy RIC List only gives RIC Registered Number - so you might need to look up RIC membership entries for, say, George O'Malley before finding the correct one.

If children of the O'Malley member (son of a West of Ireland-born member) were born in the mid 1860s then there is only one member who might be the father from the West of Ireland  - George O'Malley (born 1814, Mayo). Martin O'Malley (born 1836, Dublin) could be the son. However, bear in mind that in the earlier years of the force the records may not have been complete.

I hope this helps

best regards

Gerry McMahon
Dublin

[kooky]

Gerry, are there any mentions of Edward Dowzard?
Kooky