Police Inspector in Dublin

[mcmahongg]

Hi Kooky

What an unusual name - but yes, there are five entries!! -

Dowzard, Edward, DMP 7864, born 1854, Kilpipe, Co. Wicklow
Dowzard, John, DMP 7376, born 1849, Killaveney, Co. Wicklow
Dowzard, William, DMP 2763, born 1820, Kilpipe, Co. Wicklow
Dowzard, William, DMP 3453, born 1820, Kilpipe, Co. Wicklow
Dowzard, William, DMP 7584, born 1852, Kilpipe, Co. Wicklow

The Civil Parish of Kilpipe is in South Wicklow. This corresponds roughly to the Roman Catholic Parish of Kilaveny and Annacurra.

There are no Dowzard entries in the Herlihy RIC List.

best regards

Gerry

[kooky]

THANK YOU!
This is very interesting!
Edward and John may be the brothers  or cousins of my gt gr mother Susan Boshell nee Dowzard.
Kooky

[DudleyWinchurch]

Hi

The index book for the DMP is:

Jim Herlihy, The Dublin Metropolitan Police: A Complete Alphabetical List of Officers and Men 1836-1925, Four Courts Press, Dublin, 2001.

He also wrote (in adition to his books on the RIC):

Jim Herlihy, The Dublin Metropolitan Police: A Short History and Genealogical Guide, Four Courts Press, 2001.

Unlike the RIC List, the DMP List gives the birth year and native Parish and County of the member, in addition to the DMP Registered Number. Herlihy also indicates where a member was Ex-Constabulary - i.e. formerly a Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) member, or was later a member of the Garda (the police force in Southern Ireland after Partition - this force is still in operation).

Page 199 of the DMP LIst gives five O'Malley entries -
O'Malley, Austin, DMP 10023, born 1874, Aughavale, Co. Mayo
O'Malley, George, DMP 2263, born 1812, Frankford, Co. Tyrone; Ex-Constabulary
O'Malley, George, DMP 2332, born 1814, Westport, Co. Mayo, Ex-Constabulary
O'Malley, Martin, DMP 5659, born 1836, St. Michan's, Dublin City; Ex-Constabulary
O'Malley, Patrick, DMP 12226, born 1902, Kilmeena, Co. Mayo; Garda, died 1948.

The DMP Registered Number allows the actual member's record to be accessed at the National Archives (Dublin or Kew) or the Garda Museum (the LDS has this data too).

Further information on Ex-Constabulary members can be got from the RIC records - bearing in mind that the Herlihy RIC List only gives RIC Registered Number - so you might need to look up RIC membership entries for, say, George O'Malley before finding the correct one.

If children of the O'Malley member (son of a West of Ireland-born member) were born in the mid 1860s then there is only one member who might be the father from the West of Ireland  - George O'Malley (born 1814, Mayo). Martin O'Malley (born 1836, Dublin) could be the son. However, bear in mind that in the earlier years of the force the records may not have been complete.

I hope this helps

best regards

Gerry McMahon
Dublin

Dear Gerry,

thank you so much.  I need to discuss this with my cousins but I think that Martin may tie up well with an IGI entry giving a possible 1864 birth registration for my great-grandmother and that Westport may have been mentioned as a possible place of origin for the family so it looks like you have found the right guys here.

Well done and thanks again,
Sheila

[deevla]

Hi Gerry

I recently found out my gggranfather was a constable in the DMP and was wondering if there was a mention of him. His Name was John Phelan.

Regards
Deevla

[mcmahongg]

Hi Deevla

There are seven John Phelan entries in Jim Herlihy's DMP List (Page 204):

John Phelan, DMP 1805, born 1816, Roscrea, Co.Tipperary
John Phelan, DMP 6190, born 1841, Kilmainham, Co. Dublin
John Phelan, DMP 6262, born 1835, Corneriss, Queen's County, Ex-RIC 20463
John Phelan, DMP 8279, born 1850, Borrisinossory, Queen's County, died 1878
John Phelan, DMP 8648, born 1856, Raheen, Queen's County, died 1911
John Phelan, DMP 9568, born 1869, Bagenalstown, Co. Carlow
John J. Phelan, DMP 11750, born 1899, Blackrock, Co. Dublin, Garda

I hope this helps

best regards

Gerry

[Brendan Joseph]

Hi Gerry,

I have a gg uncle Morty O'Donoghue born 1841 Kerry, enlisted in the RIC 1861, he emigrated to Rhode Island 1868, I wonder is he listed, he was the uncle of Sgt. James O'Donoghue who was shot in Cork 1921.

He may also have a brother Daniel who also enlisted.

Brendan

[mcmahongg]

Hi Brendan

Jim Herlihy's DMP List shows five O'Donoghue/O'Donohoe entries (page 198):

[Name, DMP Reg. No., Year of Birth, Native Parish, Native County]
O'Donoghue, Daniel, DMP 10106, born 1878, Castlegregory, Co. Kerry
O'Donoghue, Edward, DMP 5342, born 1836, St. Peter's, Queen's County
O'Donohoe, Edward, DMP 5403, born 1835, Mountmellick, Queen's County
O'Donohoe, Michael, DMP 7773, born 1854, Killanerin, Co. Wexford
O'Donohoe, Thomas, DMP 9165, born 1862, St. Mary's, Co. Kilkenny

The Herlihy RIC List is a larger database; unfortunately it only gives the name of the member and his RIC Reg. Number - no information on birth year or county of origin. From the Reg. Number it is possible to estimate the approx year of entry, however.

There are 37 O'Donoghue/O'Donohoe entries (page 370-371) in the Herlihy RIC List.

There is only one Morty  O'Donoghue/O'Donohoe:
Morty O'Donohoe, RIC Reg No. 26605 [Nov 1859-Oct 1861]

There is only one Daniel  O'Donoghue/O'Donohoe:
Daniel O'Donoghue, RIC Reg No. 36755 [Oct 1868-Oct 1871]
Daniel O'Donoghue, RIC Reg No. 41854 [Feb 1875-May1877]

The data in [] brackets is the date range within which the RIC Reg No. falls.

I hope this helps.

best regards

Gerry McMahon

[barryjmay]

Hi there I've just started doing my family tree and have started with my great-granfather. His name was Hugh May(e), was an RIC Officer and he died in 1923. Is there any way you could provide me with his service no. so I could check the records?

[mcmahongg]

Hi Barryjmay

Do you have an estimate of Hugh May(e)'s birth year? This would give an idea of when he might have joined and would help narrow down multiple possible entries.

best regards

Gerry