Lost family member in Manchester area

[Mr. MIGKY]

Just to clear up a few things  and people will not get confused as i did at first

Last i can find Leonard Madden was his very short army service record Oct 1915. Leonard Madden , 7th Manchester regiment, Service number 4320. He is residing at The imperial men home, 1 Nail street, Pilling street Manchester. This is the same address i found him on the 1911 census.

This is my leonard Madden 
Births Sep 1889   
 Madden  Leonard    Salford  8d 89


now i found two deaths but unsure if they are the same one?
1919 age 30
MADDEN Leonard 30 Billington Preston B/7/24

& this one.

Deaths Mar 1919   
 
Madden  Leonard  30  Blackburn  8e 555

and 2 marriages for a Leonard Madden.

MADDEN Leonard HAMMERSLEY Elsie Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended Oldham 1925

MADDEN Leonard SILCOCK May Failsworth, St. John the Evangelist Oldham 1936


I don't mind paying for certificates if i know they are mine but i wonn't buy them on the off chance they are. My Leonard Madden was born Salford and as far as i know has never been to Ireland.

[heywood]

Hi,
I think those two deaths are the same - when I looked it up I found Billington then as you say Blackburn on Free BMD. Genuki says Blackburn Register Office covers Billington.

I suppose it is that the age is the same for that Leonard Madden. As Emms says, the names strike you as all Irish descent and there could well be another Leonard turning up later- who knows?
Well there must be as there are two marriages  Although they could technically be the same person.
There is a birth 1905 in Ardwick and 1 living in Oldham who is 10 yrs old in 1911- he could be the one who marries in 1925 and even 1936.
Also Madden could be open to several spelling errors.
It's a pity they don't give a church for a funeral as they do for some marriages on Lancashire Free BMD 

At the moment I am strongly in favour of the chap in Blackburn but ..why there?
good luck
heywood

[Mr. MIGKY]

Ta Heywood,Emms & Goldy for taking the time to search for him.
I am struggling to see this man move far from Collyhurst/Ancoats are of Manchester. His sister is just two streets away in 1911 and maybe ten streets by 1915. The family name is of Irish decent but i don't think they traveled to Ireland( What we call Skint member/no money) They lived in the really poor part around Angle Meadows and later return there when thing turned bad for one member in 1930's.
I am only on year five of looking for him and one of his sisters, so early days yet 
What makes it a little more confusing is i have baptism records from st. Patricks there local parish  with other family Madden's on plus other Madden families i can not make a connection with.
Don't you just hate common names 

Thanks anyway every one, will put him and his sister on my " Must find one day " list.


Migky

[heywood]

No, I wouldn't have thought he would have gone to Ireland- can't imagine anyone did at that time.
As you say, fairly common name I suppose.
You never know though he could have travelled for work and if in poor condition- died early.
Isn't it frustrating and so easy to make a little scenario up.
If they were Catholic, there may be a funeral record at the local Catholic church in Billington area - (big assumption but all the Maddens I know are Catholic  )

[Mr. MIGKY]

Hi Heywood , there were Roman catholics.
Migky

[emmsthheight]

Hi Migky, Heywood.

Stroke of genius, Heywood! 

I was thinking Catholic again because all the ones I've come across were.  But I never thought of looking it up because there would be so many places in Manchester, but of coure, what you've picked up on, if he did have a funeral in Billington, the choice of RC churches is much narrower!

Billington St Mary?  No burials in any of the Blackburn ones in LRO list, but maybe somewhere else?  Blackburn papers?

What I was thinking was this was not long after the end of the war.  My grabndfather wasn't even home at this stage.  Even if he was refused by the military, he would quite likely have been given war work, and the country was still in a state.  There would be a shortage of men by 1919.

He may well have been sent away from home, to work and this wouldn't reaslly have been far.  My Grandfather's sister was sent to the area north west of there having been born in Salford as a land girl.

Good hunting, Migky

Best wishes

Emms    

Edited: PS I wonder where the records for War Work went?  Who administered it?

[Mr. MIGKY]

I am also struggling to find any trace of Leonard's sister ( Mary Ann Madden born 1887 Salford ) after the 1901 census, plus there father ( William Madden born 1855 Maccelfield Cheshire ) after 1901 in Manchester. RG13/3755

I know he would be alive after 1912 as it would have him as deceased on his other daughters wedding certificate.

Migky 

[heywood]

Hi migky,

I haven't checked but he wouldn't necessarily be named as deceased in my experience.
Who were the witnesses to that wedding? Not a Mary A ...?

[amram]

Hi Migky
I have marriage certs. where the father was not marked as deceased, even though they were. Depends how the question was asked... What is the name of your father? ... They may not have asked if he was deceased!
If that is the case, the death of William Madden in Mcr. in 1903 is the right age. (48)

I have one of my lot marry a John Madden in 1888. They lived in Ancoats. Don't see any connection yet though. His father was William but a bit older than yours.