Parents of John Thomas Jones and Evan Lewis

[Rose29]

Help!! Searching months for parents of gr-gr-grandfather, John Thomas Jones, born July 1, 1814, Carmarthenshire County, Wales.Do not have Village where John Thomas born. Tombstone indicated birth July 1, 1812, but son says born 7/1/1814.

Ltr. from son, Evan Thomas Jones, said John T. left "old homestead" at age 18 on Sep. 10, 1832. for Liverpool; left Liverpool Sep. 12; arrived US Nov. 20, 1832 (port??). Profession:  Wagon maker; married Sarah Lewis, Radnor, Delaware Co, Ohio, Jan. 1, 1838. They left for Springfield, IL Sep. 4, 1840; lived there rest of lives.  Sarah (Lewis) Jones died 1860; John T Jones died Feb. 25, 1884; both buried OaK Ridge Cemetery, Springfield, IL.

Sarah Lewis father: Evan Lewis, b. Trefegwys, Montgomeryshire, Wales, 21 Mar 1773; died 19 May 1845, Radnor, Delaware Co., Ohio. Wife:  Mary; children: 10.  Do not know parents of Evan Lewis. Can you help here, too?
Thank you so much for your help.  Rose29

[alicebob]

Hello Rose

I don't know if this is your family or not but here is what I was able to find.

Evan Lewis, b; 21 mar 1773, parents Richard Lewis and Jane.
Marriage for Richard Lewis and Jane Davies, 22 May1769 in Trefeglwys.
Marriage for Evan Lewis and Mary Jones, 14 June 1799 in Trefeglwys
Children = Mary Lewis, b 29 Mar 1800, Richard Lewis, b 19 Oct 1807 and
Sarah Lewis, b 16 Oct 1808.
I hope these are yours.

Do you know if John Thomas remarried after Sarah died as I did find a
John. T. Jones married to a Doras { I forget the exact spelling of her name
but it was close to this} they also had a son William.

Bob

[Rose29]

Thanks AliceBob.Almost positive this is my family (Lewis). Have Will of Evan Lewis (written 2-2-1839;  Prob. 7-8-1845. Lists ten children; among them, Mary, Richard, and Sarah; no years of birth listed. Property of 75 acres left jointly to sons, Evan and Richard. So glad to get gr-gr-grandmother, Sarah Lewis' birth of 16 Oct 1808. Federal Census 1850 for Sangamon Co IL gives b. 1813; but her tombstone in Springfield says: Died June 18, 1860, 50 yrs., 8 mos. 5 days.

After Sarah Jones died, John T. married Dorcus (Dora) Ritter Sept. 23, 1866, Springfield, IL; Had son William David Jones, b. Sept 29, 1868; died Oct. 9, 1894, of pneumonia, Springfield IL

Desperately wanting to know gr-gr-grandfather John Thomas Jones' parents. Wonder if at leaving Wales at 18 his parents were deceased, or did they possibly come to US before John T. came in 1832? Thanks again for your help!!

[osprey]

Are those submitted entries for the Lewis family? Can't see them in the extracted batch for Trefeglwys apart from Sarah who was baptised 16/10/1809 daughter of Evan Lewis IGI batch C081701. Given that the submitter is out by a year for Sarah's baptism, the other dates need to be checked.

This site may be useful
http://www.trefeglwys.org.uk/

You can get copies of parish entries from the record office in Llandrindod Wells
http://www.powys.gov.uk/index.php?id=3540&L=0
if you know date and parish. Or they will research for you for a fee
http://www.powys.gov.uk/index.php?id=652&L=0

[Rose29]

Osprey - thanks for corrected date of Sarah Lewis' baptism: 16/10/1809. Entries from AliceBob June 28 were my Lewis family in answer to my request (entries) for gr-gr-grandmother, Sarah Lewis, and her father, Evan Lewis on June 26. Also requested info for my gr-gr-grandfather, John Thomas Jones, who married Sarah Lewis. No one has responded for him.
Appreciate your info on Trefeglwys sites.
I'm at a dead end trying to find my gr-gr-grandfather's parents?? Only info I have for John Thomas Jones: a native of Carmarthenshire, Wales. Born 7/1/1814. Left Wales 1832 at 18. Naturalized Nov 1838, Radnor, Delaware Co, Ohio.  Married Sarah Lewis Jan 1, 1838, Radnor, Ohio (have cy marriage certificate).

Sure John Thomas Jones had siblings; have no info. Thanks, Osprey, for any info you can give me for John T. Jones.

[osprey]

what I was implying about the other Lewis records is that they have been submitted by a member of the LDS church and do not appear on the records extracted from the parish records, and are therefore suspect. Sometimes submitted records match extracted ones, but in this case Sarah's baptism is out by a year so the others need to be verified. It's like copying someone else's tree on the internet without checking for yourself.

I'm sorry but without a parish for John Thomas Jones, it's just about impossible. There are 184 entries for John Jones baptised 1814 +/- 2 years in Carmarthenshire. Middle names don't seem to be recorded. The other problem is if he was baptised before 1813, he will not have been recorded as John Jones on the IGI, but as John + surname which is the first name of his father as the IGI presumes a patronymic naming system in Wales pre 1813 whether it was in use or not. So your Sarah is not recorded as Sarah Lewis, but as Sarah Evan the daughter of Evan Lewis. Without the parish of baptism, it's impossible to find someone as you need to search by first name within a batch for that parish. And there are about 82 parishes not all of which are on the IGI, to say nothing of the many more non-conformist churches who may or may not have practised infant baptism.

Sorry but without further info, you won't be able to get further back.

[Rose29]

Thanks, Osprey, for info. Am novice at research for Jones/Lewis families. 75 yrs. old who wants desperately to find out Welsh heritage.
Took off Internet info from LDS church. Does this mean anything? Re: John Jones, b. 15 Apr 1785, Wales; d. 29 Jul 1839, Gilrhos, Wales. Parents:( F) Evan Jones (1762-1854); (M) Eliz. (Morris) Edwards (1762-1829). Married Mary (Mari) Ellis, Llangywer, Wales, 18 Dec 1812. This John Jones died young. Often called John Evan Jones. Name changed from John Evans to John Jones. Don't Know if Gilrhos, Wales is in Carmarthenshire County.
Does this "ring a bell" with you. Is it possible this is my John Thomas Jones??Thanks, Osprey

[osprey]

sorry, can't find anything on the IGI to verify your info, but Llangywer is in Merionethshire, so it's very unlikely that it's the same person.

 

[Rose29]

Thank you for your time and effort on my behalf.  Will continue trying to find parish for John Thomas Jones.
Couple months ago I wrote to Nat'l Archives, since John T served in Civil War as Wagon Master, and his wife, Dora (Ritter) Jones received pension. Received pension documents, but only bio info was: born Wales.
Even tried to get "City" in Wales info from Passenger List of ship arriving either New York/Philadelphia Nov. 20, 1832 for John T, but didn't find even his name. In fact, note on Internet indicated  passengers arriving US up to July 21, 1855, there was no "Processing," and they simply walked off the ship.
There is LDS Research Center in Honolulu where I will try to do research.
Have not been able to locate any "Jones" relatives in Springfield, IL.
Do keep me in mind if you ever run across anything on John Thomas Jones. Thanks again.