Master Mariners - CARRUTHERS

[ShaunJ]

Thomas Bell Carruthers was in the service of the Honourable East India Company:

Bristol Mercury  September 2nd 1865

Marriages

August 21 at the parish church Swansea ......Forrest Priest eldest son of the late Thomas Bell Carruthers Esq H.E.I.C. Service, to Julia second daughter of Mr Charles Lamb of Pier Street Swansea.

There was also a Thomas Bell Carruthers, wholesale cheesemonger of Dowgate Hill London who was the subject of bankruptcy proceedings in 1838/9.

[arj8122]

Hi
thank you very much that is very interesting.  :)Could you tell how to access records of the H.E.I.C?
You have made my day - it is all quite exciting!
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[ShaunJ]

Marriage 24 December 1835 at Chiswick
 
Thomas Bell Carruthers and Cecilia Lydia Priest
 

 

[ShaunJ]

The records are at the British Library. There's this bit in the online database:

Thomas Bell Carruthers

16 Sep 1830  Thomas Bell Carruthers, Bond & Covenant, Free Mariner, Madras, Amount of security: £500, Sureties: Edward F. Long, Crosby Square, Merchant. Richard Carruthers, Lower Thames Street, Merchant., Authority of Court: 15 Sep 1830 Transcribed by: FIBIS India Office Records Reference:
Z/O/1/10 No. 7857   Source edition: Presidency: Madras

http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/FullDisplay.aspx?RecordId=014-000322108

Also try FIBIS http://www.fibis.org/

[Beximus]

Hi

I'm visiting the Swansea archives in a couple of weeks - do you want me to have look at the parish registers, see if I can find the entry for that marriage?

Also, I've just had a look on the Cambrian Index Online newspaper search, and there seems to be a few articles in there regarding Carruthers that are linked to your family, including these 3 very interesting ones:

Cambrian B10 MARRIAGES, MARRIAGE  25 August 1865 ON 21 AUGUST AT ST.MARY'S, SWANSEA, FORREST CARRUTHERS, MARINER, TO JULIA LAMB, SWANSEA.

Cambrian B10 MARRIAGES, MARRIAGE  01 September 1865 ON 21 AUGUST AT ST.MARY'S, SWANSEA, F.PRIEST CARRUTHERS, TO JULIA LAMB, OF SWANSEA. 

Cambrian B10 MARRIAGES, MARRIAGE  01 September 1865 P8. LETTER FROM C.L.CARRUTHERS OBJECTING TO 'FORGED' MARRIAGE ANNOUNCEMENT, PREVIOUS WEEK. 

I would definitely recommend having a look through the index to see if there's anything useful.

I've also noticed while looking at the index, that Cecilia Lydia was headmistress of the Hafod Copperworks Girl's School.  Have you looked at this info before?

[arj8122]

Hi
Thanks for that I will have a look at that site now. As mentioned above a marriage was found by ShaunJ in Chiswick of a thomas Bell Carruthers and cecilia lydia which seems to fit as all their children were born after this date. However I would REALLY appreciate it if yo could look to see if there is any records of Thomas Bell's birth as I still don't know when or where he was born - the unfortunate thing is that it might not be Swansea. Please only do so if you have finished what you aim to do first!
Thank you
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[ShaunJ]

Someone else researching this family back in 1999:

http://genforum.genealogy.com/priest/messages/285.html

[ShaunJ]

This could be Thomas' baptism in the IGI:

THOMAS BELL CARRUTHERS
 Birth:  17 SEP 1808   
 Christening:  18 AUG 1818   St Botolph By Billingsgate, London, London, England
 

  Father:  RICHARD CARRUTHERS
  Mother:  ANN BIRD 

I wonder if it's the same Richard Carruthers who stood security for Thomas in 1830?

[arj8122]

Hi
Oh wow!  This is so exciting - did you find that out on the family search website? This is so useful and very very helpful.
Thank you everyone!
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