Brazier family, Margaeretting and surrounding, Essex

[bexyBraz]

Please could anyone help me with more information on the Brazier family as i have now hit a brick wall! 
I've got William Brazier born 1787, died 1848, married to Catherine, kids, John, Charles, William, Mary ann, Nelly
John Brazier born 1846 married to Rebekah born 1847, kids, Ernest, Herbert, Sarah and Catherine.
Herbert born 1884 (my great grandad) married to Emily (seabrooke), kids, Stanley, May, "Dolly" and Clifford.
Any extra info would great, especially if your related.

Many Thanx.

[diddymiller]

welcome to RC bexy. what are you looking for?

census details / marriages / birth certs (after 1837)?

Diddy

[diddymiller]

to get you started - there is a tree on A* (assume its not yours as there are some extra children).

William Brazier bap. 1786 Writtle, Essex. m Catherine bap 1799 Buttebun,Essex.

1841c: Margeretting:
William brazier  54
Catherine  42
Mary Ann  16
Elizabeth  11

1851c: Margeretting
William  65
Catherine 52
John  7

the only marriage William is:
William = Elizabeth Oliver  1 sept 1818 writtle
can't see marriage to Catherine yet. wonder whether he married twice as Mary Ann born 1825 and william 54 then. do you have birth dates of other children?

also 2 deaths:
william Brazier mar 1848  chelmsford 12/45
william Brazier sept 1846  Chelmsford 12/29

Diddy

[bexyBraz]

The death of my William is the 1848 one.
On 1841 census he has another daughter called Elizabeth born 1830 and Catherine born 1830. John hes son is my great great grandad, who had Herbert 1884 (my great Grandad) who then went on to have my grandad Stanley in 1917. 

I have looked over loads of records in 1891 census (cost me a fortune) and can't seem to find any trace of them, yet they are back on 1901 census.

Im after anything really, marriages and deaths.  I have found where they lived via the different census'

I just cant seem to get back any further or trace what happened to the children.

Any info would be greatley appreciated.

Many thanx.

[lizdb]

Here they are in 1891

RG12 1384 156 18

Margaretting

John 48 Ag Lab bn MArgaretting
Rebecca 44 bn Fryerning
Thomas 16 son bn Marg.
Earnest 14 son bn M
Herbert 7 son bn M
Charles 11mths grandson bn Ingatestone

[lizdb]

Here is 1881 - children slightly different than those you list

1881
RG11 1761 83 13
Margaretting

John 31 Ag lab
Rebecca 32
Catherine 12
Sarah A 11
Nelly 8
Thomas 6
Earnest 4
Maud E 1          all bn Margaretting

[lizdb]

Marriage

Jul/Aug/Sep 1868
Chelmsford reg distr
ref 4a 268

John Brazier /Rebecca Pinnock

looks likely.

But cant spot them in 1871 at the mo

[lizdb]

Here they are - (wrongly indexed )
1871
RG10 1661 103 19

Margaretting

John 27 Ag Lab bn Margaretting
Rebecca 21 bn Fryerning
Sarah A 2 bn MArg.
Catherine 1 bn Marg
William 85 widwr granfather bn Writtle

SO
William (bn about 1786) is John Grandfather!
and he did not die 1848 - that may be his son (John's dad) but he wouls not have been born 1786/7)

I think there are two generations muddled here (possibly).

[lizdb]

Looking at the 1851 that Diddy gave you before, I see there is no relationship given for 7 yr olf john (in the H/H of William and catherine)

I would suggest he is their grandson, his father also William having died in 1848.

Diddy has also found William and Cathrine on 1841
Hopefully somewhere there is William (his son, Johns dad) around.

Getting Johns birth cert would give a mothers name and help

Or best to get that 1848 death cert - to confirm age of thatWilliam and see what widows name was (if she was informant) Need that cert really to confirm this line of thought

But I will take a look