Sarah HANHAM's parents

[Shaftesbury]

I am descended from Eliza Marshman who married William Carver in Croscombe in 1826. Eliza was the daughter of Thomas Marshman and Sarah Hanham.

I have done some work on the Marshman and Hanham lines and have a website at -

http://www.southwilts.com/site/My-family-history-by-Mark-Wareham/Talbot-tree.htm

where I have put the Marshman and Hanham information under the relevant tabs on the spreadsheet.

Marshman I have worked back through Pottern but I think that actually originate in Croscombe. Sarah Hanham I can't find her baptism but I think the Hanhams are in the village in the 17th century. But don't have the connection from 1770 back to 1690'ish yet.

Mark

[woowoo]

Hi Mark, thanks for your message and link to your family tree. I have the Marshman's back to 1640 with some help from other researchers.  I have had a quick look at your tree and think we can help each other out.  James Marshman who married Alice Leonard, I have a birth as 5/9/1744.  Please note this may well be a Baptism as some people assume the Baptism is the day they were born or just take the B as being born not baptism or vice versa.  John Marshman who married Joan Stagg, born 3 July 1651.  I don't have him being married to Ann Phillips as I have a son, John between John and Joan born 17 Nov 1680.  Now when it comes to children of Thomas and Sarah there has been a lot of confusion.  I presumed like you that they had a son called John 1799.  I have recently spoken to someone who has now found out this is not true.  He was the son of Thomas and Ann but lived next door to Thomas and Sarah.  This researcher has put  a lot of time into this and I presume he is correct.  (If you know better then please let me know).  Thomas and Sarah also had Lydia (1802), Louisa (1815) and Grace (5/6/1819).  I am not sure where your James 1715 comes in as I have the father of James (1744) as being John (28 june 1714)  Help!!!!!
Anyway thank you again and look forward to hearing from you
Wendy

[Shaftesbury]

Hello Wendy,

Yes I was thinking about that 1744 baptism to John Marshman as being possible. But on transcripts I have seen it just says 'illegible' son and I've not had the chance to view the original record myself yet to see if it looks like James. I was tending to go with the James and Sarah as his parents as James junior did not use the name John for any of his children.

But I agree the 1744 baptism looks very possible. That being the case it does then link back through John to William who I think was the progenitor of this branch of the Marshmans in Pottern. I think that James on my current line and John baptised 1714 were brothers although a baptism of the former can't be found (there are alot of illegible baptisms at Pottern at this time).

Where do you have William as coming from then because I think there is a good chance that they are actually originally from Croscombe and returned there later? This is because William links nicely with the 1683 baptism of William to John Marshman in Croscombe.

I am keen to follow the Hanham line back to see if it links to the earlier Hanhams in Croscombe. I don't think that the Horsington family is likely as that is some distance and that family seems settled in that part of Somerset rather than having links to the Croscombe branch of the 17th century.

Also have you seen the line I have for Alice Leonard? It is predicated on her being the illegitimate daughter of Stephen Clifford before she married her mother a year later.

Regards

Mark

[Shaftesbury]

Hello again Sarah,

Doh, I see that yes you made that link back to Croscombe in your notes where you refer to John who married Joan Stagg.

In terms of the marriage to Anne Philips in 1680 I do think that is his second marriage because -

* I have the baptism of John to John and Joan as 1679 not 1680
* That baptism 1679 is the last one to John and Joan and thereafter it becomes to John and Anne
* William baptised 1683 was to John and Anne not John and Joan

But to confirm this I will need to check the Croscombe burials next time I am at Taunton for Joan's burial in about 1679 (possibly during childbirth of this last son?).

Thanks for those other daughters of Thomas and Sarah Marshman. I see they had six daughters with no reference to a son!

Regards

Mark

[Shaftesbury]

Hello again,

I've now had the chance to check the Croscombe registers and can confirm that William Marshman baptised 1683 was the son of John Marshman and Anne Phillips. John's first wife Joanne Stagg was buried as Joanne Marshman on 30/12/1679. John then remarried on 26/1/1680 at Croscombe. Very fast - 27 days later! I think it was January 1680 rather than 1681 on the old style calendars.

I am updating my Marshman and Phillips spreadsheets on my website and that will be online shortly. The Phillips family seems to go back in Croscombe back to 1566 and beyond. But I only have to 1620 so far.

I've found Richard and Jane Marshman's burials - Richard's 14/5/1699 and Jane 15/12/1699.

I have also found an earlier Richard's burial 14/5/1675. I wonder whether this could have been Richard's father but unfortunately the trnscripts I have looked at so far only go back to 1641 so will need to look at Croscombe baptisms on the next visit to Taunton.

No joy on finding Sarah Hanham yet.

Regards

Mark

[woowoo]

Well done on all that info.  That Sarah Hanham is rather elusive isn't she?

[Shaftesbury]

Yeh. I expect she is round and about. Will just need trawling surrounding parishes and see if the information exists somewhere. In teh meantime I think there is a good chance she descends from the Hanhams that were in Croscombe in the 17th century.

[woowoo]

I have just had a look at some other parishes around Croscombe and seen that there is a few Hannam's in Pilton but no Sarah.  The 'h' could have been misread as a 'n'.

[Shaftesbury]

Yes I also checked Pylle because I saw that there were a few there. But no Sarah baptised after 1777.

That's two parishes then!

Few others to try.

Yes I think Hanham and Hannam are the same. Particularly where it was before widespread literacy and it was the parish clerk interpreting the spoken name. I've seen my family name written as Warram in some registers in the 18th century whilst it is Wareham.