James Robert Crothers born South Carolina abt 1801

[petercr49]

According to 1861 England census, my GGGGrandfather Robert Crothers was born about 1801 in South Carolina to British Parents.  From other sources, I have discovered his full name was probably James Robert C Crothers.  After his birth in South Carolina, the next time I can place him is abt 1826 when his son John King Crothers was born in Ireland, so he appears to have travelled to Ireland between 1801 and 1826.  Thereafter he went to Scotland abt 1827 and then to Newcastle upon Tyne, England where he stayed until he died in 1862.  I would be greatful for any help in finding any record of his birth in South Carolina or any reference to him in any census in South Carolina.

regards

Peter

[Lisa in California]

I don't know too much about early census returns (my family is Canadian), but this site might be of help:
http://archives.sc.gov/

[Lisa in California]

Using the exact spelling of the name, there were 6 Crothers families in America in 1800: 1 in New York, 5 in Pennsylvania.  (I believe it only listed head of household.)

[Lisa in California]

1810 Abbeville, Abbeville County, South Carolina
James Crouther (head of household?)
The form is very basic; I do not know how to read it.

1810 York County, SC
James Carothers (Head of Household?)

Unfortunately, there are quite a few variations of the name Crothers in 1810 in South Carolina.  I did not see any Crothers in 1810 (with exact spelling) in South Carolina.

[petercr49]

Hi Lisa, many thanks for your suggestions, I will have a look through the archive website.  Where do you get your information from for 1810 Crothers, is that from a census?  Do0es it give any ages?

You are right there are a number of variations on the name.  I have seen James Robert with the surname Crother, Crothers, Crowther, Crowthers and Carruthers.  I could well believe Carothers and even Crouthers.

regards

Peter

[Lisa in California]

Peter, I found the information on a census image.  There are no titles at the top of the page, but comparing the image against a definition of the 1810 census, it appears that this is correct:

James Carothers, one male age 10 to 16, one male age 16 to 26, one male 45 and older.  One female age 0 to 10, one female age 45 and older.  There is a "1" in the last column; I do not know to what this refers.

I am not certain I've read the census correctly.

[petercr49]

Many thanks Lisa, it's all a bit vague isn't it but I suppose that's all there was in those days.

regards

Peter

[Ron_Brierly]

Just came across this posting. I believe that James Robert Crothers was my 2nd Great Grandfather. If correct then I am a descendent of his daughter Mary who married John Pogson. Any additional information that you have on the Crothers family would be great to know.

Best Regards
Ron

[petercr49]

Hi Ron, thanks for the message.  I got all excited when I saw it because I thought someone had some info about Robert re South Carolina!  Robert certainly had a daughter Mary who married John Pogson.  Robert had two families with different women.  His first family with his wife Elizabeth Jemmison produced four children that I know of (john King, Susannah, Elizabeth and James).  He also had two children with his "Mistress" Mary, these were Isaac born around 1834 (my 2nd Great Grandfather) and Mary born about 1849.  So my GGGrandfather Isaac and your GGrandmother Mary were full brother and sister.  I wrote an article about Robert and Isaac for Northumberland and Durham Family History Society a few years ago which I can send to you as a starter.  Also, somewhere, I have a family photo which includes Mary Crothers (or Crowther) which I will dig out for you.

I have a quote from someone else on your side of the family as follows: "Notes from Karen Farr 24/8/09:     
I mentioned that Cousin Nora had snippets of information about the family. One of them she came up with was that Mary was born in the Monument Hotel in Newcastle Upon Tyne. I have not been able to confirm this at all. The other bit about Mary was that her wedding with John Pogson was a large wedding in Newcastle with 9 bridesmaids, 9 groomsmen and postillions which she described as little boys on horses. I have not found any newspaper reports about this but it is possible there may be one somewhere. I have no idea where she got this information from but she remembered a lot of things she had been told.

If you let me know your email address I will be able to send you copies of whatever I can find, although it will be after Easter now as we are having family to stay.

I would be interested to know which Pogson line you are descended from and without being too personal, how old you are so that I can mentally slot you into some kind of order.  You sound a generation older than I am.

All this is off the top of my head but I will get the info out when I reply again.  Robert was a very interesting character who was a leading player in the Chartist movement in Newcastle.

regards
Peter