Mary Lawson (b.1806) Avondale

[Ticadeau]

Yes, Mary Kirkland was my grandmother.  She died in 1912 in the typhoid  epidemic in Denver.  Isabella was the last person who knew Mary.  Isabella died two months before I got my mother there.  The Hay history is fascinating for those of us who did not know it all along.  LW is a treasure trove of information.  I did not see William this time.  I was there in 1967 or so.  I met LW who is very knowledgeable and nice.  Lady Mary actually lived at Spott which is on the market for a great sum.  It even has a dungeon!  The coach yard is beautiful with smooth river rock most likely from the ravine paved into square meter patterns.  White flowers were in bloom as if water was flowing down the ravine.  I did get to see Yester house which is on the market also.  It needs a great deal of work.  Google the Hay chapel of Bothans which is where our ancestors are buried.  If you have time, take a trip to Gifford.  I stayed at Tweeddale Arms.    That area is rich with Hay history.  They were very helpful to me.  I shall be engraving and sending my great aunt's silver tea set to them in Mary's memory.  She and William were married at Canongate Kirk.  I can tell you that William and Hugh Kirkland went to Australia and all their sons died in WW!.  Julia descendants are still there.  How are you related to William of Netherton?  Someone related to Archibald contacted me recently also.
The grave stone in Douglas is very far to the end of the grave yard near the wall.  Worn but beautiful for those of us who remember her. 
Sincerely, Shirley

[biggar lass]

Hi Shirley,
My mother Margaret is William's older sister. Angus, Margaret, William, Julia and Isobel are the last of Isablla's children.  Angus lives in North England and the rest still live in Scotland.
Isobel was very interested to hear what I had found out about the history.
Anne

[Lanark55]

I am as you may gather a direct descendant of Thomas Scott and Mary Lawson of Netherhall Sandilands. You have a direct line from Thomas's only sister. My late grandmother Jessie Scott Todd Tennant of Ponfeigh Place Farm and Netherton Farm Hyndfordbridge can recall her grandmother Janet Scott talk about her grandmother Mary Hay (Scott) of Netherhall.
I am curently trying to do some research on Hon. Wiliam Hay of Lawfield - father of Mary Hay and in particular his first wife who we did not know about until fairly recently.

[Ticadeau]

That information is hard to access.  The Scottish woman who helped me found it in a Spott book in Edinburgh.  William's two children from his 'marriage' to Elizabeth Turnbull sued for legitimacy  in 1774.   They may have had to be 21 before they could bring action.   The daughter was married at the time.  One record reads that Elizabeth Turnbull died in childbirth in 1758.  Her father's name was James Turnbull.  That would have been about the time William inherited Spott.  However, my understanding was that she had remarried at the time and that the husband was in attendance.

According to LWR, Elizabeth Sinclaire Hay died at the 'Lodge' which is the house at the very entrance of the estate of Spott. 

[rothesay57]

I too was trawling through when I saw mention of the Carruthers and Netherton. My g great uncle was Andrew Carruthers (father of William Carruthers) who died in 1926 at Netherton Farm. I am looking for any info, stories  and esp photos of the family as there arent any in existence in our family.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks and regards
Robyn

[Ticadeau]

I do have a picture of Bill Carrouthers, Margaret and I believe three children from 1967.  It is presently in a trunk in a Manila envelope marked 'Kirkland'.  Saved are two handwritten letters from Isabella Carrouthers.  All I remember about Bill is that he traveled a great deal regarding the agricultural industry.   I believe he was dairy.  I had assumed Isabella was the daughter of Elizabeth Kirkland Kelley but do not really know.

                  Shirley

[biggar lass]

I have just spoken to uncle Bill Carruthers and he thinks his Grandfather Andrew Carruthers lived at Yard Bent Farm near Strathaven.
William Carruthers had 2 brothers Andrew and Tom both went to NZ neither had children. One of William's sons Andrew went out in 1935.
The photo you have of Bill & Margaret taken 1967 would be of them with their 3 children. The youngest was only a baby that year.
Sadly Bill had the news that his elder brother Angus passed away last week. This leaves four of the family left.
I have been doing a lot more research on the Hay line and it in includes a few royals !!
I need to just clarify the facts.
Anne

[rothesay57]

Thanks for the info on Andrew.
Yes thats right Williams brothers went to Middlemarch in the South Island as did William's son - he called his farm Netherton.

[robineaston]

Hello!

I'm related to the Hays through a marriage that took place in the 1700s. Archibald Watt, who married Elizabeth Hay (a daughter of William Hay of Spott and Elizabeth Turnbull), was a brother of my ancestor Isabella Watt, who in turn was married to William Ballantine, a shoemaker in Edinburgh. Do you happen to have any information on Archibald Watt's ancestors? I only know that his father was James Watt, a tailor in Pleasance, Edinburgh, but can't find anything about him in the parish registers.

Regards,
Robin