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Re: Cutler family from Portsmouth to Shoreditch - please help
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 20 June 09 19:51 BST (UK) »
1891 census RG12 223 folio 18
27 Red Lion Street Clerkenwell
James H Cutler 68 Head Married Living on own means Shoreditch Middlesex 
Mary Cutler 68 Wife Married Frampton Gloucestershire 


Deaths Sep 1891 
Cutler  James Henry  69  Holborn  1b 436


Mary was with her married daughter and her husband - Annie and Albert Woolgar in Essex in 1901 and still only giving a birthplace of Gloucestershire.

A possible death registration for her.

Deaths Jun 1907   Cutler  Mary  85  W.Ham  4a 129


There are two Frampton parishes in Gloucestershire. Frampton on Severn whose baptism registers are covered by the IGI and Frampton Cotterell. Frampton Cotterell had a hat factory at some point  (founded 1837) so did attract hatters. It previously had master feltmakers.


1851 census HO107 1581 folio ?
1 Maria Terrace Peckham Camberwell
Jabez Knight 25  Head Married Hatter Warehouseman Frampton Coterel Gloucestershire
Cathrine Knight 30  Wife Married Shoreditch Middlesex
Catherine C Knight 2 Daughter St Georges Surrey

Marriages Mar 1848       
KNIGHT  Jabez     Shoreditch  2 303     
Westley  Catherine     Shoreditch  2 303


By 1861 Jabez was a hatter in Liverpool.


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Re: Cutler family from Portsmouth to Shoreditch - please help
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 20 June 09 20:13 BST (UK) »
1841 census HO107 1085/7 folio 16
Northampton Street St George Sothwark
William Knight 50 Feltmaker not born Surrey
Sarah knight 50 not born Surrey
Eliza Knight 20 not born Surrey
Mary Knight 15 not born Surrey
Susanna Knight 8 not born Surrey
Jabez Knight 16 apprentice not born Surrey
Charles Knight 14 not born Surrey
Thomas Knight 10 not born Surrey

next household to Jabez
1851 census HO107 1581 foli0 ?
1 Maria Terrace Camberwell Surrey
William Knight 61 Head Married Hatter Bridgewater Somerset
Sarah Knight 63 Wife Married Winterbourne Gloucestershire
Thomas D Knight 20 Son Warehouseman Frampton Coterel Gloucestershire

William Knight was a widower in 1861 living with his married daughter Sarah Creasey and her husband James and family. James was also a hatter. The family were in West Street Bermondsey on the 1861 census. Sarah was aged 48 and born in Winterbourne Gloucestershire.

Marriages Dec 1840   
CREASEY  James Henry     Newington  4 339     
KNIGHT  Sarah     Newington  4 339

Sarah Knight
Christening:  19 JUL 1812   Winterbourne, Gloucester
Father:  William Knight 
Mother:  Sarah 

Possible marriage

WILLIAM KNIGHT
SARAH CURTIS 
Marriage:  15 AUG 1808   Winterbourne, Gloucester



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Re: Cutler family from Portsmouth to Shoreditch - please help
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 10 February 10 23:50 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Valda :)  for answering so many Cutler and Knight questions.

My mother's grandmother was Ada Louisa Cutler daughter of James Henry and Sarah Cutler's son Frederick Henry Cutler and his wife Clara Louisa Dean.

We've been finding the Cutlers marriages and the families in the census are often indexed as Cutter because of the cross on the T extending to the L. 

It appears that James and Sarah Cutler had James Henry Cutler baptised late (20th May 1842) when he was about 19 or 20.  Their eldest children being baptised at St Matthews Bethnal Green and then the youngest three baptised together at St Mary Magdalene Bermondsey in 1837.  But then five days later (25th May 1842) they were back at the church having realised that they had forgotten Caroline Eliza (who was approx 20 in the 1841 census).  I had thought it was a mistake on the IGI but now its possible to see the registers on line at Ancestry I have checked - and they did go back.

There is the marriage of a James Cutler to a Sarah Stevens on Ancestry on the 13th September 1807 at St Mary's Islington.  This is the same date as James Henry Cutler and Mary Knight married 39 years later. The IGI has a Sarah Steven's baptised at Bethnal Green in Oct 1788 which is where Sarah said she was born in the 1851 Census.

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Gates (Hampshire); Wareham (Hampshire/Dorset); Newman (Hampshire/Dorset); Trowbridge (Dorset); Rose (Dorset); Frisby (S.London/Essex); Cutler (S.London/Glos);  Knight (Glos/Somerset); Dean (London), Stubbs (London/Kent); Elliott (London/Sussex); Ellett (London/Devon); Bryant (Bedford); Davies (Bedford); Godfrey (Beds); Wells (london,Kent,Sussex(?)); Heys (Padiham/Hartlepool/Newcastle/London/Rochdale); Butterworth (Burnley); Stow (Devises); Woodroffe (Wilts/Glos); Francis (Wilts);

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Re: Cutler family from Portsmouth to Shoreditch - please help
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 11 February 10 00:09 GMT (UK) »
Forgot to mention that although the eldest of James Henry Cutler and Mary Knight's children Frederick Henry Cutler was baptised at St Mary Magdalene's in 1848 their next five children were baptised together at St Dunstans and All Saints on 12 Dec 1860.  The family appear to use their middle names in the Census and for marriages.
The Baptisms give their birth dates as
20 March 1849   Eliza Emily
1 Jan 1851         Mary Louisa
3 July 1855        James George
5 May 1856        William Thomas
7 April 1859        Samuel Alfred

It is interesting that although the family moved north and south of the Thames they also moved to Gloucestershire with Eliza Emily born Clifton, Bristol and Mary Louisa born at Bristol St Pauls.

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Gates (Hampshire); Wareham (Hampshire/Dorset); Newman (Hampshire/Dorset); Trowbridge (Dorset); Rose (Dorset); Frisby (S.London/Essex); Cutler (S.London/Glos);  Knight (Glos/Somerset); Dean (London), Stubbs (London/Kent); Elliott (London/Sussex); Ellett (London/Devon); Bryant (Bedford); Davies (Bedford); Godfrey (Beds); Wells (london,Kent,Sussex(?)); Heys (Padiham/Hartlepool/Newcastle/London/Rochdale); Butterworth (Burnley); Stow (Devises); Woodroffe (Wilts/Glos); Francis (Wilts);